Louisiana Derby (G2)

[Paladin]

Fair Grounds
Louisiana Derby (Grade II) Race 10 - 4:55 PM
$1,000,000.For Three Year Olds. One And One Eighth Miles.

PPHorseJockeyWgtTrainer
1 Fire Alarm (KY) M Mena122 W B Calhoun
2 Windsurfer (KY) J R Velazquez122 T A Pletcher
3 Finnegans Wake (KY) C J Lanerie122 D L Romans
4 Flashy Sunrise (KY) R Maragh122 D Stewart
5 Cigar Street (KY) S Bridgmohan122 S Margolis
6 Shared Property (KY) L R Goncalves122 T M Amoss
7 Mr. Bowling (KY) R Albarado122 J L Jones
8 Mark Valeski (KY) R Napravnik122 J L Jones
9 Arm Force (KY) J R Leparoux122 E G Harty
10 Comisky's Humor (KY) R E Eramia122 R Faucheux
11 Z Dager (KY) S J Sellers122 S M Asmussen
12 Rousing Sermon (CA) M E Smith122 J Hollendorfer
13 Hero of Order (KY) E Martin, Jr.122 G Dorochenko
14 Afford (KY) J Graham122 G Geier
A - Coupled Entries - Mr. Bowling, Mark Valeski

[second_glance]

Rooting hard for Rosie and Mark Valeski!

[TapitsGal]

Mark Valeski!

[RIPBarbaro]

I hope that Cigar Street can get this. Would love to see him at the Derby in May.

[reverberate]

Good spot for Cigar street he's definitely a live shot here

[Skywalker]

Good spot for Cigar street he's definitely a live shot here

Live shot? He will be the favorite. These horses are not very good. That is why 14 are entered. I think he wins or gets second. Should get him into the Derby.

[Man o' Taz]

I am rooting for Rousing Sermon...

[Epiphany]

Live shot? He will be the favorite. These horses are not very good. That is why 14 are entered. I think he wins or gets second. Should get him into the Derby.

Mark Valeski will be the favorite. Just ask your boss. LOL.

[Skywalker]

Mark Valeski will be the favorite. Just ask your boss. LOL.

Coming from a "fan" who doesn't gamble. LOL

Cigar Street will be the favorite. Anyone who gambles knows this.

[Epiphany]

Coming from a "fan" who doesn't gamble. LOL

Cigar Street will be the favorite. Anyone who gambles knows this.

Lets bet on that? I don't know where you got the idea I don't bet, but even if I didn't, I would here.:evil:

[Skywalker]

Lets bet on that? I don't know where you got the idea I don't bet, but even if I didn't, I would here.:evil:

Anyone that gambles knows Cigar Street will be the favorite. He is the buzz horse and has the 13+ length win at the track. Mark Valeski will bounce to the ceiling and everyone that bets real money knows it.

[Epiphany]

Anyone that gambles knows Cigar Street will be the favorite. He is the buzz horse and has the 13+ length win at the track. Mark Valeski will bounce to the ceiling and everyone that bets real money knows it.

Put your money where your mouth is Chris.

[Skywalker]

Put your money where your mouth is Chris.

I will. I will be betting on the favorite, Cigar Street.

I bet real money, not your fake internet money. LOL

[Epiphany]

I will. I will be betting on the favorite, Cigar Street.

I bet real money, not your fake internet money. LOL

Ah, can't answer the call, Chris? *What a surprise*

And I'd like to believe you are betting "real" money, but no one touts a horse to be chalk if he is playing him. Although...a tout from you is tantamount to a toss for others. If I thought "real gamblers" really read this section of the TBC Forum, that is.

[Horsebagger]

Anyone that gambles knows Cigar Street will be the favorite. He is the buzz horse and has the 13+ length win at the track. Mark Valeski will bounce to the ceiling and everyone that bets real money knows it.

Tell me why Cigar Street isn't a candidate to bounce coming back in 3 weeks off that big number?

[Secretariat Forever]

If anything Mark Valeski will improve from the Risen Star. I see nothing that says he's due to bounce instead of improve.

He's the horse to beat if he can stretch out a bit further to a 1 1/8. Interested to see how Rousing Sermon does here. Was it just SA or is he not good enough? We'll see.

[Epiphany]

Tell me why Cigar Street isn't a candidate to bounce coming back in 3 weeks off that big number?

What are the odds that Chris doesn't know a bounce from a ball?
He clearly doesn't know a two horse entry from a maiden winner.

[affirmed79]

This is not a real good field and anyone can win it. I do like Mark Valeski to win as i think he's for real. I'M hoping he can take the La. Derby and go on in the Ky, Derby and win. I hope he;s much better then people think. Some of these horses i'm not familiar with at all. I don;t know what they are doing in the race......I hope Mr. Bowling shows up like he did in the Lecomte. Just hope the winner is a real race horse and goes on to the derby. I see all these horses are all Ky. breds except the Cal.bred. The Final Four is here this weekend and they will have many people from Ky. here to watch this race. Should be exciting with both Ky. teams here in N.O. I love them both. Louisville and U of K...Should be a great weekend of racing and basketball....Think the Cats will win and hope its a good game and a good race for all these Ky. people and horses...

[RIPBarbaro]

I will. I will be betting on the favorite, Cigar Street.

I bet real money, not your fake internet money. LOL

I'm hoping he's not the favorite as that would make Cigar Street victory that much more satisfying.

[Curlin]

Lets bet on that? I don't know where you got the idea I don't bet, but even if I didn't, I would here.:evil:

Heh, he may be confusing you with me.

Mark Valeski WILL be the favorite (and probably the eventual winner), it doesn't take being a degenerate gambler to figure that one out. And Arm Force, the full to Well Armed, is the lone Lasix-free runner. He's my longshot pick here, good luck to him and Mr Casner.

[Matt Converse]

If anything Mark Valeski will improve from the Risen Star. I see nothing that says he's due to bounce instead of improve.

Pedigree. His sire, Proud Citizen, is iffy for distance; 7.86 awd, 7.29 on dirt; damsire 6.83 awd, small sample size but that is about right for that sire line. It's just not very promising for going longer. One of the worst I've seen when you average both sides.

[Matt Converse]

I think come post time some of you may switch to, "Well, Mark Valeski should have been the favorite, he's far more accomplished." He is but the question isn't who should be the favorite, it's who will be. I'd guess Cigar Street. Not that that thrills me, I'd much rather MV be the favorite.

[PJMIII]

Mark Valeski tops 14-horse cast for Louisiana Derby

Fair Grounds will conclude its 2011-12 meet on Sunday with 14 races, including the Grade 2, $1 million Louisiana Derby over 1 1/8 miles. The classic prep itself drew a full field of 14, with former Kentucky governor Brereton Jones' coupled entry of Mark Valeski and Mr. Bowling expected to attract the most support.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/editorial/article.cgi?id=27549

[Epiphany]

I think come post time some of you may switch to, "Well, Mark Valeski should have been the favorite, he's far more accomplished." He is but the question isn't who should be the favorite, it's who will be. I'd guess Cigar Street. Not that that thrills me, I'd much rather MV be the favorite.

No. We won't switch. Especially with all those Kentuckians down there. If Cigar Street goes off the favorite - a horse ready to bounce to the moon three weeks back off a 99, that has raced twice and won once, albeit impressively - against a Jones trained, leading rider Rosie ridden colt owned by the best breeder in the US that finished as close as you can get second in the prep STAKES, has worked very well since, had time since, and is even coupled with a half way decent stablemate, then I'll just know racing really is at death's doorstep because the degenerates can't even get it right.

You better pray that El Bandwagon runs backwards in the Florida Derby if you want a chance to see Cigar Street the fav of anything but you and Chris.

[Skywalker]

No. We won't switch. Especially with all those Kentuckians down there. If Cigar Street goes off the favorite - a horse ready to bounce to the moon three weeks back off a 99, that has raced twice and won once, albeit impressively - against a Jones trained, leading rider Rosie ridden colt owned by the best breeder in the US that finished as close as you can get second in the prep STAKES, has worked very well since, had time since, and is even coupled with a half way decent stablemate, then I'll just know racing really is at death's doorstep because the degenerates can't even get it right.

You better pray that El Bandwagon runs backwards in the Florida Derby if you want a chance to see Cigar Street the fav of anything but you and Chris.


I hope Cigar Street goes off at 10-1, but he won't. He will be the favorite. Why? Because he is the best horse in the race.

[Epiphany]

I hope Cigar Street goes off at 10-1, but he won't. He will be the favorite. Why? Because he is the best horse in the race.

He may well be. But he won't be the favorite, and the best horse on the day is only known after a wide open race like this with so little in the way of PP's for young 3 year olds, half of which wouldn't even be here if they weren't being pressed to make the Kentucky Derby in five weeks.

Does the line maker at Fair Grounds get it that wrong?

[Horsebagger]

Why is 0 for 8 maiden Flashy Sunrise in this race off of getting his head handed to him by Cigar Street in a MSW?

[Epiphany]

Why is 0 for 8 maiden Flashy Sunrise in this race off of getting his head handed to him by Cigar Street in a MSW?

Wants to be the longest shot on the board?

[Skywalker]

Why is 0 for 8 maiden Flashy Sunrise in this race off of getting his head handed to him by Cigar Street in a MSW?

He is owned by a partnership that likes to race in big races.

On paper, his figures are not that different than many others in the race. This is a terrible field and the two big horses could easily pull away and it would not surprise me to see the 3rd place finisher beaten 10+ lengths.

[RIPBarbaro]

I hope Cigar Street goes off at 10-1, but he won't. He will be the favorite. Why? Because he is the best horse in the race.

I hope he goes off at 10-1 also but no surprises if he goes off as the favorite. He is the best horse in this field!

[Horsebagger]

He is owned by a partnership that likes to race in big races.



That's a rather superficial answer. WP isn't alone amongst horse owners in that they like to 'race in big races'.

I've always considered them reasoned in where their horses run, and never really looked at them as being overly ambitious and putting horses way over their heads and hoping for a miracle. But hey, if you want to give your partners a thrill for 30 seconds, who am I to question. Good luck to them.

[Skywalker]

That's a rather superficial answer. WP isn't alone amongst horse owners in that they like to 'race in big races'.

I've always considered them reasoned in where their horses run, and never really looked at them as being overly ambitious and putting horses way over their heads and hoping for a miracle. But hey, if you want to give your partners a thrill for 30 seconds, who am I to question. Good luck to them.

It isn't superficial at all. They are a business. You don't get new owners racing in a maiden claimer on a Wednesday. Let's face it West Point, Dogwood, Team Valor, etc. need to get in some big races, especially the Derby or they got out of business.

[Horsebagger]

It isn't superficial at all. They are a business. You don't get new owners racing in a maiden claimer on a Wednesday. Let's face it West Point, Dogwood, Team Valor, etc. need to get in some big races, especially the Derby or they got out of business.

I'd suggest that the top syndication partnerships didn't get where they are today by running horses in hopeless spots just to get partners in the paddock of a stake race they can't/won't win. They got there by winning races. But that's my perception. Could be wrong.

[Skywalker]

I'd suggest that the top syndication partnerships didn't get where they are today by running horses in hopeless spots just to get partners in the paddock of a stake race they can't/won't win. They got there by winning races. But that's my perception. Could be wrong.

They don't run horses just for the sake of publicity, they run horses they feel will run well but might not win. This horse will run well, he just won't win. On paper, he belongs in this weak field.

[ElPrado1]

Make up your mind. So far you're touting the horse like he's the second coming of Seattle Slew, then telling us what a crummy field this is in the next sentence. I'm getting dizzy with all this spinning.

[Skywalker]

Make up your mind. So far you're touting the horse like he's the second coming of Seattle Slew, then telling us what a crummy field this is in the next sentence. I'm getting dizzy with all this spinning.

What is there to understand. The West Point horse lost to Cigar Street by 13 lengths last time out. When Cigar Street and Valeski run 1-2 and clear the field by by 13 lengths this mediocre horse could easily get a very big paycheck for finishing ahead of a bunch of bad horses.

[gravano]

Look for a blue grass bump in attendance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/sports/louisiana-derby-set-for-kentucky-fans-from-final-four.html?src=rechp

[Horsebagger]

They don't run horses just for the sake of publicity, they run horses they feel will run well but might not win. This horse will run well, he just won't win. On paper, he belongs in this weak field.

You should probably stop acting like you know how syndicates operate. Or ask 'your guy'.

He's not in the same ballpark as the two favorites. If they have him in here because they think they might grab 3rd, they should be in a MSW instead. That's my opinion.

[GotaDunQH]

Make up your mind. So far you're touting the horse like he's the second coming of Seattle Slew, then telling us what a crummy field this is in the next sentence. I'm getting dizzy with all this spinning.

LOL..you and me both, so I'll do an ex box with the two horses being argued over....Mark Valeski and Cigar Street, and I'll throw a longshot in...Flashy Sunrise.

[Skywalker]

You should probably stop acting like you know how syndicates operate. Or ask 'your guy'.

He's not in the same ballpark as the two favorites. If they have him in here because they think they might grab 3rd, they should be in a MSW instead. That's my opinion.

I know $1 million is a lot bigger purse than a MSW. Horse has hit the board in 4 straight races. Does it here and he gets a 6 figure check. I also know if a bunch of people in a syndicate want to run in the LA Derby they should. It is their money.

[LarrytheK]

Live shot? He will be the favorite. These horses are not very good. That is why 14 are entered. I think he wins or gets second. Should get him into the Derby.


Your right...These horse are not very good..Mark Valeski is excellent and will be considered one of the top 4 derby horses soon after the demolition..Cigar Street was brought along too late and the hype surrounding him would have made him the favorite save for Mr. Bowling being coupled with MV....

MARK VALESKI BAYBEE
TAKE IT TOO THE BANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CIGAR STREET=SUCKER BET

[LarrytheK]

I hope Cigar Street goes off at 10-1, but he won't. He will be the favorite. Why? Because he is the best horse in the race.

10-1 and winning...Take a sobriety test dude...He will be 3-1 and the biggest sucker bet like ever....

[affirmed79]

I think MV will be the favorite as it's an entry and also, with all those people from KY. coming in, i know they like Larry Jones and Berenton Jones who was their governor. It would truly be a Ky. day if they do win. Also, they have Rosie the leading jockey on him and they always bet her down. I would be surprised if they bet any other horse more then MV. Really looking forward to this Sun. and weekend. It's in the paper today how many people they expect to attend. Will have shuttle buses from hotels for the KY. people. This seems more like the Ky. derby then the La. derby for me. It's so exciting. Rick Pitino is a horse owner and breeder. Maybe he will be there, too.....But in the paper Larry Jones, who is from Ky., is happy over the teams being here. I hope MV wins and BYC wins the Oaks and UK the Final Four. If not them, then Louisville. I's started to think i'm in Louisville or Lexington. This is a dream come true for me. It will be rocking at the F.G. this weekend like never before.....

[RIPBarbaro]

Your right...These horse are not very good..Mark Valeski is excellent and will be considered one of the top 4 derby horses soon after the demolition..Cigar Street was brought along too late and the hype surrounding him would have made him the favorite save for Mr. Bowling being coupled with MV....

MARK VALESKI BAYBEE
TAKE IT TOO THE BANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CIGAR STREET=SUCKER BET

So MV is going to demolish a weak field and become one of the top derby horses? Interesting.

[war1chant]

My money will be on Windsurfer here at what hope to be a decent number but with Todd he could be the favorite by post-time!!!.....this is a special Speighstown colt that has trained up the PMM of late....the Pick

[interco]

Afford/Arm Force exacta

[PJMIII]

Mark Valeski works for Louisiana Derby

Mark Valeski, an excellent nose second in the Grade 2 Risen Star Stakes February 25, put the finishing touches on his preparations for Sunday's 99th running of the Grade 2, $1 million Louisiana Derby when breezing five furlongs in 1:00 3/5 Tuesday morning at Fair Grounds.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/editorial/article.cgi?id=27579

[Lord Helpus]

I admit that I know little about the betting end of racing, but, to me, it stands to reason that the entry of Mark Valensky and Mr. Bowling (together) will get more money on them than Cigar Street.

I have no opinion about CS v. MV, but Mr. Bowling ain't chopped livah -- that entry looks like a better bet than just CS.

Since you can't bet MV by himself, the argument of who the favorite is does not come down to MV v. CS, but to the entry v. CS.

So all the argument about the favorite is specious.

Of course, this is my very humble opinion.

[Skywalker]

CIGAR STREET=SUCKER BET

Coming from the SUCKER promoting a Mega Millions Lottery. How about you take your $50 and buy useless lottery tickets and I will take my $50 and bet it on Cigar Street. I will get a few minutes of excitement and perhaps a return on my money and you will get 1 lucky on some stupid lottery that pays nothing. You are the sucker.

Cigar Street is KY Derby Bound. :)

[Horsebagger]

I know $1 million is a lot bigger purse than a MSW. Horse has hit the board in 4 straight races. Does it here and he gets a 6 figure check. I also know if a bunch of people in a syndicate want to run in the LA Derby they should. It is their money.

Save your superficial answers for your buddies who also run errands for your boss.

As if hitting the board in 4 straight races means much when they're MSW races? While you're avoiding work today, why not go back and look at the horses he was finishing behind in those 4 straight races, and what they've done since whooping his butt. Not exactly evidence he's going to hit the board in a million dollar stake race. Good luck to him though.

[Skywalker]

Save your superficial answers for your buddies who also run errands for your boss.

As if hitting the board in 4 straight races means much when they're MSW races? While you're avoiding work today, why not go back and look at the horses he was finishing behind in those 4 straight races, and what they've done since whooping his butt. Not exactly evidence he's going to hit the board in a million dollar stake race. Good luck to him though.

I would actually have to see my boss to run errands for him. LOL

As for the horse, I am using him on the bottom of my tickets.

[second_glance]

@DRFHersh: Arm Force out of La. Derby. Trainer Harty looking for better spot. That leaves 13 & removes a potential pace player.

[Epiphany]

What are the chances of a 13 horse LA Derby field that leaves Castellano and Leparoux in the jock's room that day?

[StarGirl11]

@DRFHersh: Arm Force out of La. Derby. Trainer Harty looking for better spot. That leaves 13 & removes a potential pace player.

Not sure where they are going to find one.

Like MK for this one.

[Epiphany]

Not sure where they are going to find one.

Like MK for this one.

Illinois.

[gravano]

He had good luck with American Lion at Hawthorne.

[LarrytheK]

Coming from the SUCKER promoting a Mega Millions Lottery. How about you take your $50 and buy useless lottery tickets and I will take my $50 and bet it on Cigar Street. I will get a few minutes of excitement and perhaps a return on my money and you will get 1 lucky on some stupid lottery that pays nothing. You are the sucker.

Cigar Street is KY Derby Bound. :)



He's going to be way overbet...... 7/2 or less for the LD...If he's 8-1 or higher don't let me talk you off a price like that....I still think pairing up performances this late in a key prep race for the Derby is like 5%...If he had some 2 Y.O foundation or 1-2 other nice performances this year, I could see it....He might wind up being an outstanding horse. As for putting Derby Future money on him, its as good as wallpaper..Totally dead money...

If you think $20 for a chance at a half billion dollars is a suckers bet, Im one of those suckers this week.

[Skywalker]

He's going to be way overbet...... 7/2 or less for the LD...If he's 8-1 or higher don't let me talk you off a price like that....I still think pairing up performances this late in a key prep race for the Derby is like 5%...If he had some 2 Y.O foundation or 1-2 other nice performances this year, I could see it....He might wind up being an outstanding horse. As for putting Derby Future money on him, its as good as wallpaper..Totally dead money...

If you think $20 for a chance at a half billion dollars is a suckers bet, Im one of those suckers this week.

Yes you are a sucker. Go win your half billion for doing absolutely nothing and let all your friends and family ruin your life. Lotteries are for miserable people. Just about everybody that wins one has their life ruined anyway. Whoever wins that lottery will wish they never did. Guaranteed.

[affirmed79]

I like Cigar Street, too and hope he does well and gets in the Ky. Derby. I would be happy to see that, but like MV better and Mr. Bowling, too. Glad to see MV had such a great workout and LJ is happy with where his 2 horses are. And ROsie, too.

[LarrytheK]

Yes you are a sucker. Go win your half billion for doing absolutely nothing and let all your friends and family ruin your life. Lotteries are for miserable people. Just about everybody that wins one has their life ruined anyway. Whoever wins that lottery will wish they never did. Guaranteed.


I never heard of anyone running in front of a train after they lost money on the Lottery...

[Senator L]

The entry to me looks very strong. I do hope Cigar Street takes
a lot of action. The longshot I like is Comisky's Humor. Looks like he'll
go straight to the front with Hero of order. I'm hoping he lays just off
him, if he does I think he'll have a good shot of hitting the board
Good luck

[gravano]

Looking at track bias, have they really only run 3 races at 9 furlongs at Fair Grounds this meet?

[LarrytheK]

I never heard of anyone running in front of a train after they lost money on the Lottery...

I get it, this is that "Alternate Dimension Thread" theoretical physicists have been talking about.. Lets see I handicap the Lottery and you are hoping for a win bet on Cigar Street at the lowest possible price as to not alarm family members if you win some money because they will ruin your life....

[Skywalker]

I never heard of anyone running in front of a train after they lost money on the Lottery...

I don't want to encourage you to keep ruining racing threads, so one last time. POST IN THE RIGHT SECTION. Plenty of examples for you about lottery winners killing themselves or family members getting killed or kidnapped.

http://www.thoroughbredchampions.com/showthread.php/11488-MegaMillions-476-Million-For-Friday?p=317597&viewfull=1#post317597

[tcw]

Cigar Street by open lengths in here.

[Skywalker]

Cigar Street by open lengths in here.

After the El Padrino effort today, I tend to agree. I think Cigar Street makes quick work of Mark V.

[carolefromsimhorseracing]

I'm rooting for Arm Force but hope that Julien Leparoux rides better here then when he rode Union Rags.

[Skywalker]

I'm rooting for Arm Force but hope that Julien Leparoux rides better here then when he rode Union Rags.

Arm Force is not running. Couldn't compete with CS.

[Matt Converse]

Does El Padrino's Florida Derby raise doubts about Mark Valeski?

[Matt Converse]

The entry to me looks very strong. I do hope Cigar Street takes
a lot of action. The longshot I like is Comisky's Humor. Looks like he'll
go straight to the front with Hero of order. I'm hoping he lays just off
him

Cigar Street won't be on the lead unless it's by default again. That's not how he runs. He was just way too good for those and ended up on the lead just loafing.

[LarrytheK]

Does El Padrino's Florida Derby raise doubts about Mark Valeski?

I think he (El Padrino) regressed off a high number and won't even make the Derby Field (earnings) to prove what he can do...Cigar Street should regress and even Mark Valeski might regress albeit less + he's training out of his mind which makes me think he won't..Of the 2 late Street Senses, I like Street Life (next week) to move ahead in terms being a potential Derby Starter..So I'm saying Cigar Street will not win..Mr. Bowling might be the upset horse although he's coupled with the favorite. So a price might be Rousing Sermon...A track that he can show his closing kick again...Hollendorfer thinks so....

EXACTA

Rousing Sermon
Mark Valeski

Rousing Sermon
Cigar Street

Mark Valeski
Rousing Sermon

[Skywalker]

Does El Padrino's Florida Derby raise doubts about Mark Valeski?

Does for me. The only thing is El Padrino had beaten Indy before so I have to think the last race just took too much out of him. I expect MV to run ok today because of the slow field he is up against, and then I think both EP and MV move forward in the Derby, but doubt either wins it.

[Ballerina]

Does El Padrino's Florida Derby raise doubts about Mark Valeski?

El Padrino's pilot spent too much time concentrating on Union Rags. He should have watched what was going on in front of him instead of along side him. Another bad ride.

[Skywalker]

El Padrino's pilot spent too much time concentrating on Union Rags. He should have watched what was going on in front of him instead of along side him. Another bad ride.

He couldn't win a race where the winner ran a 95 beyer. Give it up already. The jockeys did not make these horses run slower than the filly winner.

[raven]

El Padrino's pilot spent too much time concentrating on Union Rags. He should have watched what was going on in front of him instead of along side him. Another bad ride.

Spot On!!!

[gravano]

Does El Padrino's Florida Derby raise doubts about Mark Valeski?

Maybe, but ranking it against the other question marks lining up I think MV is the rightful favorite and horse to beat.

[Epiphany]

I think MV lays over this bunch. Slightly worried abut Pletcher's new bullet. He didn't ship him to keep MI company.

[tcw]

Anyone know if this race is being shown online?

[LifeAtZen]

Anyone know if this race is being shown online?


I searched and didn't come up with anything. Looks like we'll have to wait for live updates.

[tcw]

It looks like twinspires.com may be a possibility...

[Skywalker]

Anyone know if this race is being shown online?

You get 30 minutes a day free on twinspires if you don't have an account.

[Curlin]

Rousing Sermon / Fire Alarm exacta box and from the more untested horses I'd go for Cigar Street and Windsurfer, either of whom might step up big time today.

[Skywalker]

I love Fairgrounds. Worst gamblers on the planet. First Nate goes off at 9-1, now this.

Current Odds

Mark Valeski 5-2

Windsurfer 5-1

Cigar Street 9-2 (if he stays that high I will be ecstatic)

Shared Property 5-1

Rousing Sermon 4-1

[Paladin]

I goin take a shot with Comisky's Humor

[LostInTheFog]

Cigar Street, Windsurfer, Mark Valeski.

[Paladin]

Post Time

[Skywalker]

Hero of Order.

Ok, I am disappointed in Cigar, but when 99-1 shots win you can't really say anything.


I am all in on Creative Cause now.

[LifeAtZen]

Wow.

[LostInTheFog]

Hero of Order upsets the field.

[Paladin]

99-1 shot wins it

[Kurenai]

AAAAaaaaaaahahahahah. I was rooting for MV, but I'm always really happy when an outsider wins! So this was great! :D 99-1 hahaha

[LostInTheFog]

Hero of Order
Mask Valeski
Rousing Sermon
Cigar Street

[EquineAnne]

Hero of Order.

Ok, I am disappointed in Cigar, but when 99-1 shots win you can't really say anything.


I am all in on Creative Cause now.

you are all on something, that's for sure.

[BARNFOUR]

Hero of Order.

Ok, I am disappointed in Cigar, but when 99-1 shots win you can't really say anything.


I am all in on Creative Cause now.

Nah,you can say a fool and his money (Quiet Chris') are soon parted........lol

[islandgirl45]

99-1 wins. Are you kidding me? Argh.

[Epiphany]

Hero of Order.

Ok, I am disappointed in Cigar, but when 99-1 shots win you can't really say anything.


I am all in on Creative Cause now.

Hey Chris, what were the final odds on LA Derby? Who was the fav?

[Gato Del Sol]

omg I am so happy!!!!!!!!

[mimi6920]

It will be interesting to see what this does to the graded earnings picture. Between the impending Derby runs of Wrote, Daddy Long Legs, and (I imagine now) Hero of Order, I wonder if El Padrino will have enough graded stakes winnings to make the field? Will be interesting to watch all this develop.

[islandgirl45]

Nah,you can say a fool and his money (Quiet Chris') are soon parted........lol

Really, though, who saw that 99-1 winning?

[BARNFOUR]

Really, though, who saw that 99-1 winning?

Nope.....nobody did

[Skywalker]

you are all on something, that's for sure.

Pretty horsey lady, some of us actually gamble. LOL

You probably don't even know future betting on the derby closes today but I bet you know which pretty horsey ran today.

[Epiphany]

Coming from a "fan" who doesn't gamble. LOL

Cigar Street will be the favorite. Anyone who gambles knows this.

Except for the crazy longshot winner, the fans weren't too off here, were they?

[Epiphany]

Pretty horsey lady, some of us actually gamble. LOL

You probably don't even know future betting on the derby closes today but I bet you know which pretty horsey ran today.

Bet she knew MV entry would easily be the fav today, too. What's your excuse, gamblin' man?

[second_glance]

99-1 wins. Are you kidding me? Argh.

More like 109-1, paid $220.80

[BARNFOUR]

Bet she knew MV entry would easily be the fav today, too. What's your excuse, gamblin' man?

His excuse is he's a loudmouth that knows nothing....

[Skywalker]

Nah,you can say a fool and his money (Quiet Chris') are soon parted........lol

You mean the guy who picked Nates Mineshaft. BAM.

I love how you crawl out of your hole after the race. Thanks for you picks before the race once again barnboy. LOL

http://www.thoroughbredchampions.com/showthread.php/11457-New-Orleans-Hdp-%28G2%29?p=319503&viewfull=1#post319503

[Paladin]

I wonder if El Padrino will have enough graded stakes winnings to make the field?

He just got past by 2 horses so he's 18th on the list. Doesn't look good for him

[Blue Jeans]

From page 1

13 Hero of Order (KY) E Martin, Jr.122 G Dorochenko

Congrats to the winner ... and longshot! Gotta love this sport! Love it! :)

He's everybody's hero today!

[Skywalker]

His excuse is he's a loudmouth that knows nothing....

You seem to be a loudmouth only after the races are run. LOL

Sorry you are broke and can't gamble, but us gamblers are necessary for you to make your barnboy wages.

[BARNFOUR]

You mean the guy who picked Nates Mineshaft. BAM.

I love how you crawl out of your hole after the race. Thanks for you picks before the race once again barnboy. LOL

http://www.thoroughbredchampions.com/showthread.php/11457-New-Orleans-Hdp-%28G2%29?p=319503&viewfull=1#post319503

You're* a born loser Chrissy





* not your

[Horsebagger]

Pretty horsey lady, some of us actually gamble. LOL

You probably don't even know future betting on the derby closes today but I bet you know which pretty horsey ran today.

How'd that West Point maiden do? Maybe he still has a chance to hit the board in the 11th if the rider doesn't stop riding.........

[Skywalker]

From page 1

13 Hero of Order (KY) E Martin, Jr.122 G Dorochenko

Congrats to the winner ... and longshot! Gotta love this sport! Love it! :)

He's everybody's hero today!


I tip my hat to any horse that wins at those odds. No way of coming up with that one. Now 1 less spot in the gate on Derby Day.

[Skywalker]

The sale price for HERO OF ORDER

$3,000.


Wow.

[tcw]

A big surprise, but perhaps not so much when one considers the overall field in here. Give the winner his due for getting there first, but I believe he closed in a tepid 13 and 2.

[algobbi]

DerbyMedia
Only way Hero of Order can get into KyDerby is w/ a $200,000 supplement & less than 20 nominated horses enter. Good luck with that.

[Epiphany]

He just got past by 2 horses so he's 18th on the list. Doesn't look good for him

I guarantee his owners will look to run him again to get there, too. If nothing else, it could turn into his prep for Preakness.

[reverberate]

You know i gotta say Hero Of Order kinda figured here,he ran 4th beaten 6 lengths to Mark V and El Padrino came back 2 weeks later ran second beaten 3/4 of a length but was DQ for drifting. he should have been 10-1 imo goes to show how much was bet on Mark V and cigar street and i felt Mr Bowling was going to run well. Rousing Sermon might not be good enough all though he ran well I consider him a big "?" cause you don't know what you'll get out of him.

[second_glance]

Intriguing article on the trainer -- who won just about everything at TP this weekend.

From September 2011: http://www.drf.com/news/arlington-trainer-dorochenko-two-decade-overnight-success

[Skywalker]

DerbyMedia
Only way Hero of Order can get into KyDerby is w/ a $200,000 supplement & less than 20 nominated horses enter. Good luck with that.

I would not be so sure about the 20 horses because the numbers look thin, but I don't think they are going to put up $200k anyway. They paid $3000 for the horse and I am sure with his pedigree running just in the Preakness would be fine with them.

[Epiphany]

DerbyMedia
Only way Hero of Order can get into KyDerby is w/ a $200,000 supplement & less than 20 nominated horses enter. Good luck with that.

Whoo. Glad that's over. Although I'll add #stayclassy DerbyMedia if that is how they phrased the news.

[Curlin]

Rousing Sermon / Fire Alarm exacta box and from the more untested horses I'd go for Cigar Street and Windsurfer, either of whom might step up big time today.

Heck I wanted a longshot to win but ... who could have predicted THAT one? Holy cow! Mark Valeski's starting to look like Nehro redux.

[Skywalker]

You know i gotta say Hero Of Order kinda figured here,he ran 4th beaten 6 lengths to Mark V and El Padrino came back 2 weeks later ran second beaten 3/4 of a length but was DQ for drifting. he should have been 10-1 imo goes to show how much was bet on Mark V and cigar street and i felt Mr Bowling was going to run well. Rousing Sermon might not be good enough all though he ran well I consider him a big "?" cause you don't know what you'll get out of him.

To win? The horse has 1 win in 13 starts.

[Epiphany]

I would not be so sure about the 20 horses because the numbers look thin, but I don't think they are going to put up $200k anyway. They paid $3000 for the horse and I am sure with his pedigree running just in the Preakness would be fine with them.

Oh, hell, I am just going to start preserving these musings. They are too good to be true.
PS It is 100k supplement for Preakness and graded earnings of original noms supersede there, too. Just saying'.

[PartyManners]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt60dkuJQLo&feature=plcp&context=C4606f7dVDvjVQa1PpcFPeFnGvKLZJRPiStwZ6vxVu HliVJYDF6_k=

[second_glance]

This is awkward and kind of sad: Seems obvious in the post-race interviews that the trainer doesn't understand - yet - that the horse is very unlikely to make the KD.

[Skywalker]

Oh, hell, I am just going to start preserving these musings. They are too good to be true.
PS It is 100k supplement for Preakness and graded earnings of original noms supersede there, too. Just saying'.

The Preakness will not fill. Not in the day when horses don't run back in 2 weeks. If you look at the Derby contenders right now, it is slim pickings to get to 20. I am sure somebody will enter for the sake of entering, but it isn't cheap to start a horse with no shot. That said, the LA Derby winner can't get 10f anyway.

[Ballerina]

Nope.....nobody did

The connections didn't either otherwise they would have dressed better.

[RIPBarbaro]

Hit the $2 exacta and a $2 win on the 12. Love it!!:target:

[Blue Jeans]

I tip my hat to any horse that wins at those odds. No way of coming up with that one. Now 1 less spot in the gate on Derby Day.

A true story of a hero .... on April Fool's Day! He had number 13, too! :laugh:

[Curlin]

This is awkward and kind of sad: Seems obvious in the post-race interviews that the trainer doesn't understand - yet - that the horse is very unlikely to make the KD.

If I had a low-priced horse who just won $600K in a Derby prep and I needed to put up $200K to get him in, I would go for broke and do it. I'd still have $400K left over, after all. Kinda hoping the owners do it.

[Matt Converse]

That was an easy exacta. Mark loves to run 2nd so I just bet $10 exacta ALL-1.

(I wish!)

[Skywalker]

This is awkward and kind of sad: Seems obvious in the post-race interviews that the trainer doesn't understand - yet - that the horse is very unlikely to make the KD.

This is why there should be a win and your in for about 4 preps. Who cares though, this horse isn't winning a 10f allowance race.

[Skywalker]

If I had a low-priced horse who just won $600K in a Derby prep and I needed to put up $200K to get him in, I would go for broke and do it. I'd still have $400K left over, after all. Kinda hoping the owners do it.

It isn't their choice. If 20 nominated horses enter their $200k means nothing. Although they would get the $200k back if he did not get in.

The rules basically require you to nominate for the TC or you need less than 20 that want to run. Tough spot, but I don't feel bad for people that just won $600k with a horse they paid $3k for.

The odds are probably 100-1 he gets in, but considering what he just did....

[second_glance]

The Preakness will not fill. Not in the day when horses don't run back in 2 weeks. If you look at the Derby contenders right now, it is slim pickings to get to 20. I am sure somebody will enter for the sake of entering, but it isn't cheap to start a horse with no shot. That said, the LA Derby winner can't get 10f anyway.

Happens every year, though. 2009, Nowhere to Hide racked up $55,500 in GS earnings with 3 fourth-place finishes. As other horses dropped out late with injuries, etc., Zito parked him at CD -- and he made the field. Finished 17th.

[Epiphany]

The Preakness will not fill. Not in the day when horses don't run back in 2 weeks. If you look at the Derby contenders right now, it is slim pickings to get to 20. I am sure somebody will enter for the sake of entering, but it isn't cheap to start a horse with no shot. That said, the LA Derby winner can't get 10f anyway.

The racing office at CD hustles the 20 if they have to, yet they won't have to. You are as wrong about this as you are about everything else;-)

Preakness comes close some years, but yes, much better chance there. Hope they have already spent the money on something they can keep by then! But again, the Preakness field is never more than 4-5 that ran in Derby, but there are hundreds that were nominated to entire TC series in winter, all for $600. Even you could afford it.

I did not see one pony other than the show horse that can even walk a mile and a quarter, and his cab won't be fast enough.

[reverberate]

To win? The horse has 1 win in 13 starts.

to win eeehhh. to hit the board yeah. i was looking at my form i saw him and i was like ohh he was beaten by 6 to MV and EP in the risen star and he ran well in the 2weeks later. i wasn't surprised when he won though. when mark and cigar were coming down the stretch i told my dad there not catching him. i was mad cause i looked at him and said hmm he's interesting horse to keep my eye on. but that the story of my short life in handicapping.

[Blue Jeans]

From the Paulick site ... a 99-1 shocker!

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/thoroughbred-racing/hero-of-order-takes-99th-louisiana-derby-in-a-99-1-shocker/

At the longest odds on the board, Hero of Order held on tenaciously to win the Grade 2 Louisiana Derby at Fair Grounds by a half-length over Mark Valeski. Rousing Sermon finished third.

Hero of Order, a 3-year-old colt by Sharp Humor, is trained by Gennadi Dorochenko for Raut LLC. He was ridden to victory by Eddie Martin, Jr.

Running time for the mile and one-eighth was 1:50.13.

Hero of Order returned $220.80, $79.20, and $25.40.

More to come.<

[a Flying Brick]

his daddy was a hard knockin horse. If I would have been at OTB I would have bet both babies ... odds wouldn't have mattered.

Well done ...

[Epiphany]

Happens every year, though. 2009, Nowhere to Hide racked up $55,500 in GS earnings with 3 fourth-place finishes. As other horses dropped out late with injuries, etc., Zito parked him at CD -- and he made the field. Finished 17th.

These days, owners park no-hopers at CD just to get to pay the 50K to get a box on Derby day.

CD called MTB's connections and said, "Hey you're nominated, c'mon up. We got room."

[firehorse]

This is awkward and kind of sad: Seems obvious in the post-race interviews that the trainer doesn't understand - yet - that the horse is very unlikely to make the KD.

I get the feeling when it's all said and done he'll get over it pretty quickly, what a day for he and the jockey!

[Huaka]

OMG, amazing! Just goes to show you anybody can win in this sport. I don't know why but this makes me ridiculously happy.

[Epiphany]

I get the feeling when it's all said and done he'll get over it pretty quickly, what a day for he and the jockey!

As soon as that check clears his horseman's account.

[second_glance]

Dorochenko after the race: "I take not expensive horses and I make them expensive."

1993 article about him, in his jockey days, by Bill Christine:

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-30/sports/sp-40539_1_russian-racing

[Epiphany]

Dorochenko after the race: "I take not expensive horses and I make them expensive."

1993 article about him, in his jockey days, by Bill Christine:

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-30/sports/sp-40539_1_russian-racing

"Then I discount him again by not nominating to TC for $600!"

Just think how many more increments of his 15 minutes he could have bought with that 600 bucks?

Interesting in depth profile on the Russian from last fall:

http://www.drf.com/news/arlington-trainer-dorochenko-two-decade-overnight-success

[Happy Endings]

Mark Valeski blew a shoe in the race and came back to the barn lame. Just mentioned on hrtv from a tweet from L. Jones.

Hope he will be okay.

[Epiphany]

Mark Valeski blew a shoe in the race and came back to the barn lame. Just mentioned on hrtv from a tweet from L. Jones.

Hope he will be okay.

That's a bummer.

[RIPBarbaro]

A true story of a hero .... on April Fool's Day! He had number 13, too! :laugh:

He was the number 12.

Exactor or paid 491.90 and 220.90 on the win. Just collected over $700.

[Spahny]

Hero Of Order would get devoured in the Derby. Bank the winnings and look elsewhere.

The more they race the more wide open it looks. Again.

[Epiphany]

Only entity possibly happier than the owner/trainer is Keeneland.

http://www.drf.com/news/fair-grounds-hero-order-wins-shocker-109-1-louisiana-derby

[EquineAnne]

Pretty horsey lady, some of us actually gamble. LOL

You probably don't even know future betting on the derby closes today but I bet you know which pretty horsey ran today.

Actually a$$wipe, I already made my Derby future bets, but thanks for the heads up. How much did you win off of Cigar Street, you nincompoop?

[BlindLucky]

http://www.drf.com/news/fair-grounds-hero-order-wins-shocker-109-1-louisiana-derby

After Mark Valeski returned to the barn, it was discovered he had lost his left front shoe during the race.

“He was limping afterward, but when we got him back to the barn and jogged him on the pavement, we found it was because he’d lost the shoe,” Jones said.



Whew.

[Skywalker]

This race was so SLOW that there is simply no way a derby winner comes out of it. Cigar Street really has no excuses. He didn't even need to run fast to win this race.

[RIPBarbaro]

Hero Of Order would get devoured in the Derby. Bank the winnings and look elsewhere.

The more they race the more wide open it looks. Again.

It doesn't appear any horse coming out of this race will be in the derby. MV doesn't have the earnings and Hero of Order wasn't nominated.

I didn't think his PP's were consistent with his odds. Commentators were also mentioning that he was training well and that he would be a long shot bet worth taking. I took my chance with him.

[Epiphany]

Actually a$$wipe, I already made my Derby future bets, but thanks for the heads up. How much did you win off of Cigar Street, you nincompoop?

He didn't bet him when he wasn't the favorite. Figured someone knew something he didn't.:evil:

[Suni]

It doesn't appear any horse coming out of this race will be in the derby. MV doesn't have the earnings and Hero of Order wasn't nominated.
MV has more stakes earnings than El Padrino now, $260k. That probably gets him in the gate, assuming the limp really was just the shoe.

[Skywalker]

MV has more stakes earnings than El Padrino now, $260k. That probably gets him in the gate, assuming the limp really was just the shoe.

Both MV and EP will get it. Won't even be close.

[BlindLucky]

Both MV and EP will get it. Won't even be close.

#20 on the list right now is at $188k. #19 is Reveron with $220k. Sure, several of the top 20 won't enter, but with the preps still to come, I'd say it will be close for both MV and EP who are sitting at 17 and 18 respectively after today.

[BlindLucky]

The updated earnings list (http://www.kentuckyderby.com/sites/kentuckyderby.com/files/pdfs/20120401%20Kentucky%20Derby%20138%20Graded%20Stake s%20Earnings%20List.pdf)after today.

[mimi6920]

By the looks of this list, there may be some really nice horses on the outside looking in come May 5.

[Happy Endings]

Hero Of Order would get devoured in the Derby. Bank the winnings and look elsewhere.

The more they race the more wide open it looks. Again.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Someone said recently that things should become clearer as the weeks and final preps unfold, but it only seems to get muddier as we go.

Not seeing any performances that inspire confidence going forward. I find myself wondering who will upset in the SA Derby.

[mimi6920]

I agree. Everyone was really consistent up until these last few preps. Now things are starting to fall apart a bit. Gemologist, Alpha, I'll Have Another, Bodemeister, Howe Great, and My Adonis (who isn't flashy but is quite consistent), will either need to pick up more graded earnings or hope for defections.

[Happy Endings]

I agree. Everyone was really consistent up until these last few preps. Now things are starting to fall apart a bit. Gemologist, Alpha, I'll Have Another, Bodemeister, Howe Great, and My Adonis (who isn't flashy but is quite consistent), will either need to pick up more graded earnings or hope for defections.

I believe I heard on hrtv today that Bodemeister is heading to the Ark. Derby. Big money there.

[Epiphany]

I believe I heard on hrtv today that Bodemeister is heading to the Ark. Derby. Big money there.

He has to run 1-2 there to go on, only has 60k in earnings now.

DerbyMedia at CDI suggesting it will take record amount to get in this year, but of course it is his job to hype the race, too.

[Skywalker]

I believe I heard on hrtv today that Bodemeister is heading to the Ark. Derby. Big money there.

No Creative Cause in Arkansas. He may have to beat the filly in Arkansas. Might not be that easy at 9f.

[Spahny]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Someone said recently that things should become clearer as the weeks and final preps unfold, but it only seems to get muddier as we go.

Not seeing any performances that inspire confidence going forward. I find myself wondering who will upset in the SA Derby.

The key to the SA Derby is how straight Creative Cause runs in the stretch. And watch Rosario. Even coming off the pace and chasing, I predict the whip stays tucked in.

[Epiphany]

No Creative Cause in Arkansas. He may have to beat the filly in Arkansas. Might not be that easy at 9f.

I think Bode wins it, with stablemate SC holding on for 2nd or 3rd, too.

[EquineAnne]

He didn't bet him when he wasn't the favorite. Figured someone knew something he didn't.:evil:

:dance:

[RIPBarbaro]

#20 on the list right now is at $188k. #19 is Reveron with $220k. Sure, several of the top 20 won't enter, but with the preps still to come, I'd say it will be close for both MV and EP who are sitting at 17 and 18 respectively after today.

I'd be worried if I'm 17 & 18.

[MightyMitch]

Just out of curiosity, as I was trying to explain the ranking nominations to my dad:

Say the connections of Hero of Order did nominate him for $200,000 (probably won't, but hypothetical here) and he just won a million dollar race and boosted his earnings up to $600,000. Doesn't that put him on the list somewhere already, or is it because he'd be a late nomination, he'd have to wait and see if 20 horses made it in?

[Whos the Cowboy]

Just out of curiosity, as I was trying to explain the ranking nominations to my dad:

Say the connections of Hero of Order did nominate him for $200,000 (probably won't, but hypothetical here) and he just won a million dollar race and boosted his earnings up to $600,000. Doesn't that put him on the list somewhere already, or is it because he'd be a late nomination, he'd have to wait and see if 20 horses made it in?
I do not see anything in the rules about late nominations being different.

[MightyMitch]

I do not see anything in the rules about late nominations being different.

Me either. So that's kind of what has me confused about why people are saying he won't make it in.

[Matt Converse]

He won't make it in. The reason is the rules are different. They have to put up the $200k and he still only gets in if less than 24 horses want to run. Good luck with that. He's out.

[Epiphany]

I do not see anything in the rules about late nominations being different.

From CDI Derby Graded Earnings List with Entry and Selection Rules:

"If there are less than 20 Triple Crown nominees entered, a horse may be supplemented for $200,000."

After reading about that trainer in depth, the best thing that ever happened to CDI so far this spring is that horse not being nominated. And in reality, that rule above is really 24 with the four horse AE list for the first time this year.

[Matt Converse]

90 Beyer for the winner.

[gravano]

If El Padrino stays in Louisiana does he get a Grade II victory and Union Rags gets the Grade I?:)

[MightyMitch]

From CDI Derby Graded Earnings List with Entry and Selection Rules:

"If there are less than 20 Triple Crown nominees entered, a horse may be supplemented for $200,000."

After reading about that trainer in depth, the best thing that ever happened to CDI so far this spring is that horse not being nominated. And in reality, that rule above is really 24 with the four horse AE list for the first time this year.

(And thanks Matt for explaining it too in the post above, I just couldn't quote the both of you.)

OK, that makes sense now. I was telling my Dad (who is sort of meh on racing, but then he's meh on horses in general -- he's the kind of person who's interested only because I am interested, and he went to the track only because I was too young to drive myself there) about the race and explaining the graded stakes earnings and he was asking me why the horse couldn't get in to the Derby.

Had to explain the whole graded stakes earnings list, and we looked at the list, but I must have missed the ruling this year on the late nominations.

[second_glance]

From CDI Derby Graded Earnings List with Entry and Selection Rules:

"If there are less than 20 Triple Crown nominees entered, a horse may be supplemented for $200,000."

After reading about that trainer in depth, the best thing that ever happened to CDI so far this spring is that horse not being nominated. And in reality, that rule above is really 24 with the four horse AE list for the first time this year.

Yes, indeed.

[Paladin]

Dorochenko says Hero Of Order possible for Lexington or/and Preakness

[Epiphany]

Dorochenko says Hero Of Order possible for Lexington or/and Preakness

Hope someone has explained the 100k late nom fee for the Preakness to him?

[algobbi]

Hope someone has explained the 100k late nom fee for the Preakness to him?

There is no mention in the Preakness race conditions that it is the same rules as the Derby, only the 1st 5 finishers of that race cannot be excluded.

[Miss Woodford]

Honestly Hero Of Order shouldn't have been a 109-1 shot. 50- or 60-1, sure, but at 109-1 you'd think he was coming out of a last place finish in a claiming race.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1tpogkcUg1qhgkus.png
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[Horsebagger]

Honestly Hero Of Order shouldn't have been a 109-1 shot. 50- or 60-1, sure, but at 109-1 you'd think he was coming out of a last place finish in a claiming race.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1tpogkcUg1qhgkus.png
.

His post position probably contributed to his high odds just as much as his prior form did.

[Epiphany]

There is no mention in the Preakness race conditions that it is the same rules as the Derby, only the 1st 5 finishers of that race cannot be excluded.

More complex earnings rules that breaks down up to full field of 14, but if a horse isn't original nominee (for 600 at first stage or 6,000 at second stage) to entire TC series (Derby, Preakness, Belmont) then they take back seat if any originally nominated horses enters, and it is full field of 14. Otherwise, non nominated horse can supplement to Preakness for 100k.

But the Preakness rarely oversubscribes on entries.

Remember Rachel? She was 100k late nom and Zayat and MTB owners tried to conspire to enter a no hope Lukas runner to keep her out until they were raked over red hot coals for hatching that unsportsmanlike scheme.

[affirmed79]

The La. Derby was the biggest upset in La. Derby history. Wish i would have bet that horse as he ran here all year and was doing well in his last few races. He should have been 50=1 at most, as he was doing better and better and hes so durable as he races so often and it doesn;t bother him to do so. He;s been here all year. It;s a shame he won;t be in the Ky. DERBY, as hes not nominated to it. But the Lexington and Preakness sounds good. I guess our only hope for a La. Derby horse to be in the Ky. Derby is Mark Valeski...Wonder if he will make it with the earnings hes got. I don;t guess he will try another race. He could try the Ark. Derby, but would love to see him run as he deserves it. Ran well the other day, but Rosie brought him up too late. She thought she would get to HOO, but couldn;t do it. IT's a shame MV couldn;t have won as he would have gone on to the derby, and the winner is not.

[Blue Jeans]

Hero of Order is back at Keeneland. He was no surprise to his owner/trainer being the LA winner. Wish them the best ...

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/thoroughbred-racing/get-stormy-hero-of-order-arrive-at-keeneland/

>Hero of Honor entered the Louisiana Derby with a maiden win in 13 starts. Fans obviously overlooked the colt, but Dorochenko had confidence.

“Look, I spend my life with horses,” he said. “Would I run a horse in a million-dollar race who doesn’t have a chance?”

This morning, the second-most popular question for Dorochenko was, “What’s next for Hero of Order?”

“I want to see if the horse is healthy,” Dorochenko said. “There are plenty of races.”<

[gravano]

His post position probably contributed to his high odds just as much as his prior form did.

He wasn't bet because of his trainer.