Breeders’ Cup News & Notes- 2018

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Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:25 pm

Female mammals mature faster than males.
Biological fact.
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:03 pm

Yes...having the females mature quickly ensures that the species will continue. Having the males mature quickly isn't necessary, as it just takes a few of them to keep the females preggers. :P :oops:
If you've ever watched Quarter Horse racing, the fillies often kick butt, and not just occasionally. ;)
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:48 pm

Diversify is officially out of the BCC.

http://live.drf.com//nuggets/45603-dive ... alph-evans
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:42 pm

Not surprising if a little disappointing. Sure hope Rick gets better! I think the Pegasus should be in Diversify’s wheelhouse.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Catholic Boy galloping at Belmont, 10-11-18

https://www.xbtv.com/video/workout/cath ... 11th-2018/
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:03 pm
Yes...having the females mature quickly ensures that the species will continue. Having the males mature quickly isn't necessary, as it just takes a few of them to keep the females preggers. :P :oops:
If you've ever watched Quarter Horse racing, the fillies often kick butt, and not just occasionally. ;)
Apples and oranges.
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:01 pm

Not as much as you think.
Same species.
Colts gain ground around time for the classics. Male hubris in the US runs deep.
Of course, no mare could ever beat a stallion.
Never happened, right? Winx.... Zenyatta.. Kinczem....all the others, all in our imagination, weren't they? All those studs must have been sick that day.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:59 am

According to DRF, Lone Sailor is cross-entered in the Classic and Dirt Mile.

Dirt Mile is the better option for him, IMHO.
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BC Juvenile jockey shuffle: Velazquez on Code of Honor; Irad on Mind Control
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:19 pm

ElPrado2 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:01 pm
Not as much as you think.
Same species.
Colts gain ground around time for the classics. Male hubris in the US runs deep.
Of course, no mare could ever beat a stallion.
Never happened, right? Winx.... Zenyatta.. Kinczem....all the others, all in our imagination, weren't they? All those studs must have been sick that day.
Please find where I said that it never happened and then get back to me. Females can compete well with males in sprints and on turf or synthetic just fine. If you want to go 10f on dirt, I would advise you roll the dice in the fall and probably only once a season. And before you sprain a finger reminding me about Genuine Risk and Winning Colors, I remember them, they’re exceptions that prove the rule. My point was just because female QH’s running 300-440 yards can beat males doesn’t mean it would happen with regularity with TB’s. If it did trainers would run fillies against colts on a regular basis as the purses are usually higher.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:59 pm

Isn't it a little more complex than that? Sociological factors aside, our expectations tend to be self-fulfilling. And if it hasn't been done in a while or seriously tried, it's less likely someone would venture down that road.
And while the purses tend to be higher in open company, the fields tend to be smaller in the Distaffs these days and you've got females running at the highest levels where if their male equivalent tried in open company they shouldn't be running at a higher level than unlisted Stakes. So it's certainly easier money.

Plus with the way the sport is today there seems to be a preoccupation with finding a median between softness/ease of spot for the horse and what will increase its residual value, especially for fillies. There's less pressure to try and face colts at the big dances, because just having a single graded stakes win is pretty much a golden ticket for females with a moderately decent family. Add to that I've heard from several owners now who've had their fillies appraised and who claim that the people doing the appraisal told them that winning against colts would not increase their value.

The thing too is we 'tolerate' more inferior fillies in the gene pool than we do inferior colts. It's gonna be very hard to find a stud farm willing to stand a colt with no wins and no excuses for those lack of wins, and it'll be harder still to find people then willing to use that stud, no matter how good his family might be. But when it comes to fillies, especially from a good family, we will be much more likely to attempt breeding them, and even those from questionable or suspect families will usually be employed to breed.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:28 am

Found

Allez France

Ivanjika

Detroit

Three Troikas

Urban Sea

Nikellora

Treve

Enable

La Sabellina

Danedream

Zarkava

Akiyda

All won L'Prix de L'Arc de Triomphe at least once.
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:54 am

Oh, yes... dirt.
In case it has not been noticed, dirt racing seems to be being gradually phased out even in the US. More and more races are being carded for turf every year.
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Enable is coming for the BC Turf. Decision on if she races in 2019 will be made after the BC.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bree ... -cup-turf/
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Treve wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:59 pm

The thing too is we 'tolerate' more inferior fillies in the gene pool than we do inferior colts. It's gonna be very hard to find a stud farm willing to stand a colt with no wins and no excuses for those lack of wins, and it'll be harder still to find people then willing to use that stud, no matter how good his family might be. But when it comes to fillies, especially from a good family, we will be much more likely to attempt breeding them, and even those from questionable or suspect families will usually be employed to breed.
This may (or may not) have to do with sheer numbers... given the length of gestation in horses.
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:12 am

There is also the fact that the top families are not quite as affordable to the smaller breeders.
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:46 am

projected Classic field, with odds...

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/ ... _odds_123#
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:19 am

:lol: And some loon on that page claims Secretariat ran as a 4 year old. And no one even noticed. Well, I guess he ran around his paddock at Claiborne.
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ElPrado2 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:19 am
:lol: And some loon on that page claims Secretariat ran as a 4 year old. And no one even noticed. Well, I guess he ran around his paddock at Claiborne.
yeah, I tend not to read that site for validity, but it was the first site that popped up with any sort of projection on the odds.
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peeptoad wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:17 pm
ElPrado2 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:19 am
:lol: And some loon on that page claims Secretariat ran as a 4 year old. And no one even noticed. Well, I guess he ran around his paddock at Claiborne.
yeah, I tend not to read that site for validity, but it was the first site that popped up with any sort of projection on the odds.
HRN's comment section is IMHO the worst one.
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