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Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:41 pm

Tiller Doesn’t Mind Working Around Pink Lloyd’s Training Quirks
If you're watching training at Woodbine hoping to catch a glimpse of reigning Canadian Horse of the Year Pink Lloyd, you aren't going to spot him in the crowd. That's because, trainer Robert Tiller says, Pink Lloyd doesn't do so well training in a crowd.

The winner of 16 races from 19 starts, the 6-year-old gelding didn't make it to the races until his 4-year-old season. Tiller said Pink Lloyd (whose name is a reference to both the television series Entourage and the well-known band Pink Floyd) had a few soundness problems earlier in his career which held him back. Once he was able to train, Tiller realized the chestnut had too much fun chasing other horses. If a rival went by him on the rail, Pink Lloyd would kick into a full-out sprint and hunt them down. If exercise rider Rafael Sanchez kept a handle on him, the gelding would refuse to train at all.

Three-time Sovereign Award winner and Canadian Hall of Famer Tiller said Pink Lloyd is one of the smartest horses he has ever trained in a long and storied career. The Amsterdam native broke into the Canadian scene early, conditioning Near the High Sea to a runner-up effort in the 1975 Queen's Plate. Since, he has picked up four training titles at Woodbine, trained 2001 Canadian Horse of the Year Win City, and sent out winners of over $64 million.

Where other trainers might have given up and sent the horse to pasture, Tiller employed some creative problem-solving. He began taking Pink Lloyd to the training track behind the barns at Woodbine and waited for other workers to finish up before the 10:30 a.m. track closure. He learned Pink Lloyd was happy to stand on the outside rail and watch other horses go by. At about 10:28 a.m. each day, after the last worker has left the gap, Sanchez takes Pink Lloyd to the inside rail and the pair go for long, daisy-cutting canters worthy of a veteran hunter.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:33 pm

RugbyGirl wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:42 am
Stewards have just made a statement after hearing submissions from the owners of Chautauqua. In brief the Behaviourist (who remains unnamed) has said he needs more time to fix the horse so Stewards have said he is not to trial before Sept 22nd, he must trial satisfactorily on 2 consecutive occasions, should he refuse to trial or not show sufficient improvement his entries will then be refused.

So it still goes on.... :roll:


http://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/announ ... ?main=true
Social media are saying that Chautauqua will attempt to jump out at Flemington on Friday
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:59 pm

Starine wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:28 pm
Johnny Bear Gets Hard-Fought Repeat In Northern Dancer Turf
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/thor ... ncer-turf/
i loved this!!!!
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:07 am

Johnny Bear is fantastic! I think he is under-rated.
I like the story about Pink Lloyd. I love when they stand and watch the others train and decide when it’s time to train. Super personality and intelligence. He ran in the middle of the pack this weekend. 🙁
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:17 am

Yeah, after Pink Lloyd broke through the gate early, ran off because he lost the jock, was caught, remounted, reloaded after a short look over by the vet, sent off with the field. Had about a snowman's chance in hell after that.
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:29 pm

Here we go again
Chautauqua has successfully jumped out at Flemington this morning

https://mobile.twitter.com/paomaphotos/ ... 7700956160
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:44 pm

Thanks for the update. And here I was thinking he was a goner for sure!
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:54 pm

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Thanks for the update. And here I was thinking he was a goner for sure!
Interesting to note Flemington (Melbourne) is the same track he had his last successful jumpout at. His failures have all been at Randwick and Rosehill (both Sydney) now there is talk that he could be ready in time for the Everest (Sydney) but he still needs to trial successfully a second time before he is allowed to race

Footage of the jumpout is available in this article https://www.racing.com/news/2018-09-21/ ... flemington
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Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:19 am

Happy to see this. Chautauqua is very talented and...well if only he could get over this quirk...hoping we'll see that talent again.
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Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:29 am

RugbyGirl wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:54 pm
Starine wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:44 pm
Thanks for the update. And here I was thinking he was a goner for sure!
Interesting to note Flemington (Melbourne) is the same track he had his last successful jumpout at. His failures have all been at Randwick and Rosehill (both Sydney) now there is talk that he could be ready in time for the Everest (Sydney) but he still needs to trial successfully a second time before he is allowed to race

Footage of the jumpout is available in this article https://www.racing.com/news/2018-09-21/ ... flemington
Maybe his opinion isn't that he doesn't want to run anymore but that he's become a horse for the course?
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Aztec Sense just won the Champion Stakes at Parx, beating the heavily favoured Collected (who finished back in 4th). This is the 7th consecutive win for the gelded son of Street Sense.
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:07 pm

Do you think Aztec Sense could be a possible entrant for the BC Classic? Or would this win in a 1 1/16-mile race set him up better for the Dirt Mile?
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Do you think Aztec Sense could be a possible entrant for the BC Classic? Or would this win in a 1 1/16-mile race set him up better for the Dirt Mile?
He's 7 for 7 this year in distances ranging from a flat mile to a mile 1/8th, but this was his first listed stakes after running in a blacktype stakes last out. He's never run in a graded stakes. I'd personally bypass the BC at this point if he were mine, aim more towards the Cigar and maybe attempt the Pegasus. If I had to send him to the BC though I think the Dirt Mile would be a better option than the Breeders Cup Classic.
There's the G2 Hagyard Fayette Stakes at Keeneland run at 9f on October 27th. That could be a good graded stakes to start. There's also later on the G3 Native Diver at Del Mar if one wants to wait another before trying G1 company, but the Clark H is on the same weekend. If not there's the Cigar Mile that first weekend of December.
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:29 pm

Do the tracks all use the same brand of gate in Oz? He may be bothered by something.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:22 pm

Chautauqua to trial Friday night (Aus time), with no trials scheduled in Melbourne until mid October, Stewards have announced a special trial between races to accomodate Chautauqua

https://www.racingvictoria.com.au/news/ ... his-friday

I could be wrong but I think it was this meeting last year that started his barrier issues
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:26 pm

I see that this trial will occur at night. Has Chautauqua ever raced at night under the lights? If this is going to be a new experience for him, will that be a good thing...or bad...as far as getting him to break promptly? :?
Also, if the card is being run on an Australian Friday night, I would think that it would be on our (US) Thursday night of Oz racing coverage. TVG does show racing from Down Under on Thursday evenings, so we may get to see Chautauqua's trial live.
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