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Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:16 pm
by stark
Somnambulist wrote:Stark, I agree
Okay if I save that quote and refer to it at some date in the future?

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Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:51 am
by stark
Any New Year we still have to deal with Christmas returns, and I have a few, curious if you do too?

1) The prevailing attitude of I want it now, I want it live and I want to have it in HD left a few casualties in its wake. That being the regional nightly recap shows on your local TV station, the most recent being the Sam Spear show in the SF Bay area. Usually low production costs but a good option to Wheel Of Fortune.

2) The cry from a few speaking for the masses, "The technology exists, there's absolutely no reason the industry shouldn't be timing the races in the 100ths. Well, it's been almost 30 years since Belmont introduced it and I've yet to hear somebody yell from the rooftops Thank You Jesus, I'm such a much better handicapper because of the change. In fact, it's much more common to hear people continue to talk in 1/5ths of a second, even most race callers, that is with the exception of NY.

So I'm ready to exchange those two "enhancements" for something else, what about you?

My first easy-fix enhancement that shouldn't have any opposition has to be the finish line camera and the amount of time it takes for the stewards to post the OFFICIAL.
And on a related note.....why can only ONE camera be right on the finish line? Stack 'em on top of each other so NBC, TVG etc. can have the official angle to share with the audiences as well.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:21 pm
by Ballerina
The absolute end to horse slaughter and shipping of horses out of the country for the purpose of slaughter. Serious penalties to tracks that allow kill buyer to come onto property for this purpose and trainers and owners who allow their horses to be taken away in this manner.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:27 pm
by stark
Ballerina wrote:The absolute end to horse slaughter and shipping of horses out of the country for the purpose of slaughter. Serious penalties to tracks that allow kill buyer to come onto property for this purpose and trainers and owners who allow their horses to be taken away in this manner.
stark wrote: Curious to read what your hopes 'n dreams for 2018 are, keep it real, as everyone agrees horse's health is the #1 priority, what's #2,3,4 on your list?

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:02 pm
by Ballerina
stark wrote:
Ballerina wrote:The absolute end to horse slaughter and shipping of horses out of the country for the purpose of slaughter. Serious penalties to tracks that allow kill buyer to come onto property for this purpose and trainers and owners who allow their horses to be taken away in this manner.
stark wrote: Curious to read what your hopes 'n dreams for 2018 are, keep it real, as everyone agrees horse's health is the #1 priority, what's #2,3,4 on your list?
I was keeping it real and SPECIFIC about horse health. Do I really have to comment on #2,3,4?!~

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:30 pm
by stark
How about Electronic Medical Records....

Should a medical chart belong to the horse and follow him through the claim to a new barn?

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:19 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
Should a medical chart belong to the horse and follow him through the claim to a new barn?

YES. It's ridiculous that a new owner doesn't get all the information about a horse's medical history. :roll:
Drug records, X-rays, bone scans, surgical history...everything should go along with a horse, from foaling to death.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:04 pm
by Somnambulist
That's a costly measure.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:52 pm
by Catalina
Somnambulist wrote:That's a costly measure.
How so? The work is already done, all it takes is making a digital copy to go with the horse.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:31 pm
by Somnambulist
Who is maintaining that system to make sure everything runs smoothly? I know more than one person who went live with EMS when it rolled out in their office. It was very cumbersome and costly from everything I heard.. although this is anecdotal.

I'm also not sure how this is supposed to work without a governing body enforcing EMS and mandating it. Otherwise in my eyes a horse is private property and the owner is fit to do whatever they want.

Other things: free basic pp's. No other sport requires you to pay for stats.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:24 pm
by stark
Okay, how about a change in rules for Hall Of Fame voting?

Jockey breaks into the game in 1986.
Voted best apprentice in 1987.
National riding titles in 1987-1988-1989
Most wins in a season 546 in 1989.
Lots of more wins.
VOTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME IN 2004.

2005-2018 and beyond.
Lots of more wins.
Lots of controversy.

Not saying Kent Desermeaux doesn't belong in the HOF, just think the timing was off.
MLB, NBA, NFL, all seem to have more appropriate rules in place, no?

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:31 pm
by stark
Somnambulist wrote: Other things: free basic pp's. No other sport requires you to pay for stats.
Most PPs are available if you're willing to wager a minimum of ten cents with the various ADW systems.

And there's sites like http://www.trks2day.com/trks2day.html that try to provide most of the PPs every week, and it's FREE.

http://www.equibase.com/ provides all the historical data you can think of, race charts, by horse etc.

And I'm certain there are even more, possibly better, resources out there for your viewing pleasure.

Sorry, but this issue didn't crack my top 100.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:49 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
I'm also not sure how this is supposed to work without a governing body enforcing EMS and mandating it. Otherwise in my eyes a horse is private property and the owner is fit to do whatever they want.

That is probably the crux of the issue of mandating that medical records follow the horse; a horse is property, with no individual rights of its own.
Trying to enforce a rule stipulating that medical records stay with the horse may have as much chance in the courts as trying to make a car owner keep every mechanic/dealer/car parts receipt and pass them on the next buyer. :oops:

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:37 pm
by stark
A National Racing Czar

Where would he/she come from if you had your way?
Politics?
Business?
Backstretch?
Bench?
Breeding shed?
Wall Street?
Other?

I haven't a clue.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:21 am
by Sparrow Castle
It's got to be someone knowledgeable about and generally respected by horse racing participants. Barry Irwin made a suggestion recently, but I forgot who it was. I don't think it was an old bugger, but names just don't retrieve from my brain as well as they used to. Could have been a woman?

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:42 am
by Sparrow Castle
I think medical records can be linked to horses much more easily as the horse population gets microchipped. That would be quite a change wouldn't it? Imagine knowing what you're buying when you purchase and train a racehorse. Imagine it from the horse's point of view. Imagine it from the point of view of aftercare orgs. No more redundant vaccines, diagnostic tests, fewer poor fits with owners/trainers/second careers. If money is the only issue, I think it'd be cheaper in the long-run for owners to have the medical records. But I doubt that would be the only issue. Yes, in many state statutes, horses are categorized as livestock.

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:01 am
by Dusty
BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Should a medical chart belong to the horse and follow him through the claim to a new barn?

YES. It's ridiculous that a new owner doesn't get all the information about a horse's medical history. :roll:
Drug records, X-rays, bone scans, surgical history...everything should go along with a horse, from foaling to death.
Yes pretty much like a EMR for humans - the technology exists

Re: New Year Hopes 'n Dreams

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:52 am
by Kurenai
I would love to see something like the Japanese "System" happening in the US, the JRA offers a great product. Plus a % of the purse that goes into the aftercare of horses. Very well aware this will never happen. :(