Keeneland September Yearlings

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Ken
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Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:05 pm

Book is online now. Hip 383 is the War Front- Havre De Grace. The owner does like to put horses in sales though and not sell them but this is a colt so maybe she does sell him. If you pay $10 million for the mare why would you sell the colt though unless you need cash? Isn't the owner some heiress? This looks like nothing more than a stunt of an owner.

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Ken wrote:Book is online now. Hip 383 is the War Front- Havre De Grace. The owner does like to put horses in sales though and not sell them but this is a colt so maybe she does sell him. If you pay $10 million for the mare why would you sell the colt though unless you need cash? Isn't the owner some heiress? This looks like nothing more than a stunt of an owner.

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She's keeping the option open. A lot of people enter horses just in case you decide to sell, particularly in the November sales (with racehorses who could get injured and retired in the interim between entry and the sale).

If the entries to the sales didn't have to be so far out in advance, fewer would be entered and subsequently scratched.
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Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:48 am

Ken wrote:Book is online now. Hip 383 is the War Front- Havre De Grace. The owner does like to put horses in sales though and not sell them but this is a colt so maybe she does sell him. If you pay $10 million for the mare why would you sell the colt though unless you need cash? Isn't the owner some heiress? This looks like nothing more than a stunt of an owner.

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You can't continue to dump the amount of money into an industry and not see any returns. She has sold some yearlings or tried to. Last year Plum Pretty's colt was a RNA at $725,000, and she sold Betterbetterbetter's War Front filly for $1.45 million.
Mandy Pope and her brother own Variety Wholesalers, which operate a bunch of dollar stores(like Dollar General) across the south.
I do not think she sells the Havre De Grace though. I heard she is very attached to the mare and her foals.
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Flanders wrote:
Ken wrote:Book is online now. Hip 383 is the War Front- Havre De Grace. The owner does like to put horses in sales though and not sell them but this is a colt so maybe she does sell him. If you pay $10 million for the mare why would you sell the colt though unless you need cash? Isn't the owner some heiress? This looks like nothing more than a stunt of an owner.

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You can't continue to dump the amount of money into an industry and not see any returns. She has sold some yearlings or tried to. Last year Plum Pretty's colt was a RNA at $725,000, and she sold Betterbetterbetter's War Front filly for $1.45 million.
Mandy Pope and her brother own Variety Wholesalers, which operate a bunch of dollar stores(like Dollar General) across the south.
I do not think she sells the Havre De Grace though. I heard she is very attached to the mare and her foals.
I know that her and her brother inherited a business from her dad but the only horse she has sold was one with a European pedigree and she bought another $1.45 million filly last night. She is going to burn through her inheritance fast at this rate unless she sells something. I doubt she sells anything but will learn if he don't sell anything and you keep buying fillies and mares you will lose a tremendous amount of money. The problem with not selling early is what happens if all her high priced mares produce claiming/allowance horses in their first few crops like we have seen from a few high priced mares recently. She could get lucky and get a stallion out of one of the colts but percentages say she won't. This is why spending $10M on any horse makes little sense. You can't ever get your money back.
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Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:42 am

Maybe she's not trying to get her money back and she enjoys the sport and the business?

As far as I've heard, she isn't the big name owner that isn't paying her bills who spent big money last night.

We can all guess who THAT guy is.

Anybody got that number for Piper Jaffrrey?
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Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:47 am

Horsebagger wrote:Maybe she's not trying to get her money back and she enjoys the sport and the business?

As far as I've heard, she isn't the big name owner that isn't paying her bills who spent big money last night.

We can all guess who THAT guy is.

Anybody got that number for Piper Jaffrrey?
I am not knocking her but am just curious why she keeps entering horses she isn't going to sell. I just asked the same think about Joseph Allen and the full brother to Declaration of War he entered in the sale. They seem to put horses in sales just to put them in with no intention of selling them. It seems peculiar. Perhaps Allen sells the brother because he appears to have no talent but does a serious player like him name a horse The Presidency if he can't run? It just seems obvious this horse will go to O'Brien overseas or Pletcher here and he isn't really serious about selling him.
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Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:55 pm

I'm fairly certain I read that her intention was always to sell most of the foals her mares produced and race the ones that didn't sell. However, she has become attached to some of them and that is the reason she withdraws them. There is nothing wrong with that either. But I doubt she has a neverending supply of money so as her broodmare band grows, i'm sure we will see more left in the sales.
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Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:56 pm

If there is a 1% possibility they want to sell the horse they have to be in the sale to sell. And there is a big difference in entering the sale and showing up in the catalog vs. shipping a horse in to show, and then running thru the ring when you never intend on selling.

As for naming a yearling, that doesn't matter at all to anyone...buyer, seller or consignor.

Better question, why do you care?
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Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:10 pm

As HB said, and I'd posted earlier, owners do this to have the option of selling. As for Pope, she originally said she was going to sell, but it's now changed to selling colts and keeping fillies. In addition, she's fallen in love with the offspring of Grace so she's waffling on parting with them.

She can well afford this right now.
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Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:34 pm

Another breeder/owner is leaving the business, as Marc Ferrell's VinMar Farm will disperse all its horses at Keeneland. :(
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Another breeder/owner is leaving the business, as Marc Ferrell's VinMar Farm will disperse all its horses at Keeneland. :(
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... -dispersal
He raced Second Summer, which now makes a little more sense why he sold him privately overseas.
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Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:37 pm

Interested in how the Scat Daddy babies do. I like the one out of Rail Trip's dam, as well as the one out of the mare Ahh (Saint Liam) because...well. What a ridiculous name. :D
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no, but a race where they sit down right on the horse!
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Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:34 pm

The consignor of Arrogate's half sister by MdO is doing a happy dance.
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Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:18 pm

With the way the late Scat Daddy's offspring are running all over the world, I suspect that any yearlings with four legs and a head are going to sell high.
The Ahh yearling interests me, too. Because Saint Liam. :(
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