Keeneland September (12-25) Yearling Sale

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Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:03 pm

bare it all wrote:Another RNA-0 popped up and this one makes me sad.
Raison d'Etat x Colonial Empress (the filly that Wayne Lukas ran in the KY Oaks as a maiden in 2012) had her filly RNA at $1k. At least she got one bid, I guess? I even felt sorry for Colonial Empress on the track. She raced 13 times in 11 months with 1 win--she broke her maiden in her 11th start.
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Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:34 pm

Question regarding the hip numbers.

At times there looks to be smaller, colored tags attached to the hip numbers on some of the horses. I just saw a yellow one, but have also seen green and red.

Will someone please tell me what they represent?

Thank you kindly, in advance!
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Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:52 pm

Ziggypop wrote:Question regarding the hip numbers.

At times there looks to be smaller, colored tags attached to the hip numbers on some of the horses. I just saw a yellow one, but have also seen green and red.

Will someone please tell me what they represent?

Thank you kindly, in advance!
It can be an update sticker to prompt buyers to ask the consignor about updates to the horse's page since the catalog was printed.
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mariasmon wrote:
Ziggypop wrote:Question regarding the hip numbers.

At times there looks to be smaller, colored tags attached to the hip numbers on some of the horses. I just saw a yellow one, but have also seen green and red.

Will someone please tell me what they represent?

Thank you kindly, in advance!
It can be an update sticker to prompt buyers to ask the consignor about updates to the horse's page since the catalog was printed.
Thanks!
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Sometimes the one bid horses are the consignor or the consignor's friend bidding to a) get the bidding started or 2) bring the horse home again so the meat men will not try to negotiate for the horse.

I have taken home several "no bids". Often the sellers are grateful to have it go to a good home. One I took home was later "World Champion" at the Quarter Horse Congress in English Pleasure (no, I have no idea how a TB qualifies for Congress, but I was sent the picture of the horse with all the swag around him and the huge ribbon around his neck).

The other one became a famous (in its circle) polo pony and was bought by Argentine polo players for $50,000.

The first one got no bids because he was really back at the knees. But that is what made him such an incredible mover and he has stayed sound for at least 14 years by only doing very slow walk, jog and lope. The second one was small and had an ugly ewe neck; polo players think both traits are a plus.

I am sure that some of them come to bad ends, but they are not throw away horses just because they are not wanted in the racing world.
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Lord Helpus wrote:Sometimes the one bid horses are the consignor or the consignor's friend bidding to a) get the bidding started or 2) bring the horse home again so the meat men will not try to negotiate for the horse.

I have taken home several "no bids". Often the sellers are grateful to have it go to a good home. One I took home was later "World Champion" at the Quarter Horse Congress in English Pleasure (no, I have no idea how a TB qualifies for Congress, but I was sent the picture of the horse with all the swag around him and the huge ribbon around his neck).

The other one became a famous (in its circle) polo pony and was bought by Argentine polo players for $50,000.

The first one got no bids because he was really back at the knees. But that is what made him such an incredible mover and he has stayed sound for at least 14 years by only doing very slow walk, jog and lope. The second one was small and had an ugly ewe neck; polo players think both traits are a plus.

I am sure that some of them come to bad ends, but they are not throw away horses just because they are not wanted in the racing world.
Since TBs are accepted for breeding Appendixes and present in AQHA pedigrees, it would make sense that they can compete and qualify for congress too. I've noticed they're increasingly popular in the english disciplines on the AQHA breed circuit.
Glad both of those got a happy end.
Hoping these ones find their forever homes too.
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Lord Helpus wrote:Sometimes the one bid horses are the consignor or the consignor's friend bidding to a) get the bidding started or 2) bring the horse home again so the meat men will not try to negotiate for the horse.

I have taken home several "no bids". Often the sellers are grateful to have it go to a good home. One I took home was later "World Champion" at the Quarter Horse Congress in English Pleasure (no, I have no idea how a TB qualifies for Congress, but I was sent the picture of the horse with all the swag around him and the huge ribbon around his neck).

The other one became a famous (in its circle) polo pony and was bought by Argentine polo players for $50,000.

The first one got no bids because he was really back at the knees. But that is what made him such an incredible mover and he has stayed sound for at least 14 years by only doing very slow walk, jog and lope. The second one was small and had an ugly ewe neck; polo players think both traits are a plus.

I am sure that some of them come to bad ends, but they are not throw away horses just because they are not wanted in the racing world.
So kill buyers hang around these sales?
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Ziggypop wrote:
Lord Helpus wrote:Sometimes the one bid horses are the consignor or the consignor's friend bidding to a) get the bidding started or 2) bring the horse home again so the meat men will not try to negotiate for the horse.

I have taken home several "no bids". Often the sellers are grateful to have it go to a good home. One I took home was later "World Champion" at the Quarter Horse Congress in English Pleasure (no, I have no idea how a TB qualifies for Congress, but I was sent the picture of the horse with all the swag around him and the huge ribbon around his neck).

The other one became a famous (in its circle) polo pony and was bought by Argentine polo players for $50,000.

The first one got no bids because he was really back at the knees. But that is what made him such an incredible mover and he has stayed sound for at least 14 years by only doing very slow walk, jog and lope. The second one was small and had an ugly ewe neck; polo players think both traits are a plus.

I am sure that some of them come to bad ends, but they are not throw away horses just because they are not wanted in the racing world.
So kill buyers hang around these sales?
No. They have a minimum sale price that keeps them away.
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Lord Helpus wrote:Sometimes the one bid horses are the consignor or the consignor's friend bidding to a) get the bidding started or 2) bring the horse home again so the meat men will not try to negotiate for the horse.

I have taken home several "no bids". Often the sellers are grateful to have it go to a good home. One I took home was later "World Champion" at the Quarter Horse Congress in English Pleasure (no, I have no idea how a TB qualifies for Congress, but I was sent the picture of the horse with all the swag around him and the huge ribbon around his neck).

The other one became a famous (in its circle) polo pony and was bought by Argentine polo players for $50,000.

The first one got no bids because he was really back at the knees. But that is what made him such an incredible mover and he has stayed sound for at least 14 years by only doing very slow walk, jog and lope. The second one was small and had an ugly ewe neck; polo players think both traits are a plus.

I am sure that some of them come to bad ends, but they are not throw away horses just because they are not wanted in the racing world.
I always assumed they went home or someone negotiated for them for another discipline, but it's sad knowing that someone paid to truck the horse in, paid the commission and spiffed that little guy or gal up to run through the sale ring and not a single bid was had. As I'm sure they are a proud owner/breeder I would feel heartbroken that my little foal that I put blood, sweat and tears into didn't even bring a minimum bid.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:05 pm

Just looking through results based on stallions...

the Cape Blanco's must look terrible. Highest seller was 20K with the glut of them RNA or less than $5k. No wonder he's gone.

And who is breeding to Snapy Halo and trying to sell them? Eesh. Add Raison d'Etat to that. Eeeesh.

Really looking through, there are a bunch that just didn't get any love and I wish they did... Einstein mostly. And Hat Trick.

The only FuPeg in the sale sold for $1200. Remember he was the heir to the Mr Prospector fortune? and he's tied with Giacomo... another Derby winner, a single horse in the sale that also sold for $1200.

Into Mischief is hot. Like Hansel hot in Zoolander hot.

Jimmy Creed sold really well for what he is.

Keep Up (Unbridleds Song x Keeper Hill) had a nice trio sell... 17k, 12k, 35k

Kettle Corn!! One in the sale went for $35k

Did everyone who bred to Midnight Lute sell? Geeze.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:57 pm

At least Raison d'Etat (A.P. Indy - Sightseek) has a fine pedigree. Not a bad-looking horse, although no race record to speak of. And his legs look kinda lumpy in this conformation photo.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-regi ... ison-detat
Don't know if it's just the photo or he has a bunch of dings.
Too bad Cape Blanco, a Galileo with an excellent race record, didn't do well. I don't know if any Galileos have succeeded here.
IIRC, the only Sadler's Wells-line stallion who has made an impact in this country is El Prado...but WHAT an impact.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:35 pm

And who is breeding to Snapy Halo and trying to sell them?

Funny you should mention him. ;)
TVG's Nick Hines, who just got back from the Keeneland sales, was asked about new sires in an email. He liked the Orbs, was part of the purchase of a Point of Entry...and also mentioned 'a stallion you've probably never heard of,' Snapy Halo. He's a South American, G1-winning son of Southern Halo and Calumet stands him.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-regi ... y-halo-arg
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:And who is breeding to Snapy Halo and trying to sell them?

Funny you should mention him. ;)
TVG's Nick Hines, who just got back from the Keeneland sales, was asked about new sires in an email. He liked the Orbs, was part of the purchase of a Point of Entry...and also mentioned 'a stallion you've probably never heard of,' Snapy Halo. He's a South American, G1-winning son of Southern Halo and Calumet stands him.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-regi ... y-halo-arg
I think i was just more surprised to see so many of them attempting to sell. They obviously don't look like much because no one was willing to pay much if anything for them. $7500 stud fee is a little much, but maybe they'll hit the track and be runners.
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bare it all wrote:Just looking through results based on stallions...
I'll say that our partnership bought a Gemologist filly last year at the sale and liked her so much, they bought a Gemologist colt at this year's sale. The filly is strong, precocious, and is 1 for 1 on the track so far. They both look like identical clone stamps of their sire, it's kinda crazy--and I always thought he was a nice looking horse.
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Reserve Prices and Post-Sale Deals
Keeneland reported there were 1,006 yearlings that went unsold at the September yearling sale, for an RNA rate of 26.5%. In reality, the RNA rate was considerably lower due to the large number of horses sold after they left the ring.

Consignors at the September sale reported brisk RNA sale activity, with as many as 50% of their buybacks being sold before leaving the grounds. Unlike some sales companies, Keeneland does not include the post-sale transactions in its official results, but does have an "RNA to Sale" section where they post sales reported by consignors after the fact.

Post-sale deals—many times occurring at the barn not long after a horse left the ring unsold—have always been a part of the public auction process. Since a consignor's primary goal is to get the horse sold on behalf of the owner, they usually are receptive to after-sale offers.

But some consignors are frustrated by what they say is a proliferation of such activity in recent years. It is not uncommon for a potential buyer to elicit the reserve price from the seller, and armed with that information, not bid while the animal is in the sales ring. They are then quick to show up at the barn, haggling for a deal.
More: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... sale-deals

The RNA to Sale info will be posted here eventually: http://www.keeneland.com/sales/rna-sale-reports
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bare it all wrote: Keep Up (Unbridleds Song x Keeper Hill) had a nice trio sell... 17k, 12k, 35k
I was skeptical of Keep Up when he retired but I've seen two of them (one in July, one here) that were fairly nice. I don't know that he'll ever get the support to be even half the sire the last resident of the stall he's in (when I was there a year or so ago, he was in Gone West's stall) was but I won't be surprised if he turns into a useful type.
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Notable private sales from the Keeneland September yearling sale
Hip 47, gr. or ro. c. Tapit--Spring Free, by Royal Academy
Buyer: Cobra Farm, $425,000 (Hammer Price: $425,000)

Hip 75, b. c., War Front--Sun Shower, by Indian Ridge
Buyer: Randy Bradshaw, $75,000 ($95,000)
Half to Excelebration, Mull of Killough

Hip 107, b. f., War Front--Turbulent Descent, by Congrats
Buyer: Quarterpole Enterprises, $200,000 ($185,000)

Hip 151, b. c., Medaglia d'Oro--Achieving, by Bernardini
Buyer: Christina Jelm, agent, $500,000 ($500,000)

Hip 152, dk. b. or br. c., Street Cry--Acquileia, by Arch
Buyer: Ben Glass, agent, $500,000 ($525,000)

Hip 309, b. c., Medaglia d'Oro--Double Tapped, by Tapit
Buyer: Shawn Dugan Drysdale, agent for David Heerensperger, $250,000 ($225,000)

Hip 466, b. f., War Front--Louve des Reves, by Sadler's Wells
Buyer: Mark Stanley, $180,000 ($180,000)
Full to G3P Omar Bradley

Hip 471, b. f., Galileo--Luas Line, by Danehill
Buyer: Hugo Lascelles, agent, $100,000 ($95,000)
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Full list: http://www.keeneland.com/sites/default/ ... ep2016.pdf
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Ziggypop wrote:
Lord Helpus wrote:Sometimes the one bid horses are the consignor or the consignor's friend bidding to a) get the bidding started or 2) bring the horse home again so the meat men will not try to negotiate for the horse.

I have taken home several "no bids". Often the sellers are grateful to have it go to a good home. One I took home was later "World Champion" at the Quarter Horse Congress in English Pleasure (no, I have no idea how a TB qualifies for Congress, but I was sent the picture of the horse with all the swag around him and the huge ribbon around his neck).

The other one became a famous (in its circle) polo pony and was bought by Argentine polo players for $50,000.

The first one got no bids because he was really back at the knees. But that is what made him such an incredible mover and he has stayed sound for at least 14 years by only doing very slow walk, jog and lope. The second one was small and had an ugly ewe neck; polo players think both traits are a plus.

I am sure that some of them come to bad ends, but they are not throw away horses just because they are not wanted in the racing world.
So kill buyers hang around these sales?
No, they don't hang around the sales (as they do at New Holland and other very low $$ auctions). But I have known "buyers" contacting sellers/owners after the sale and promise to give the horse a good home. Yeah.....

Of the 2 I got, one was free and the other was $1000 -- I did not make much money (maybe $1500 each) when I sold them on, after 2 years and breaking them, but I felt good about it.

I also was the only bidder for another colt. He was very cute and when I saw he had no bids, I put my hand up at $1000. THEN I go to look at him.... He had a horrible club foot. I gave him away within 30 minutes to the guy who had worked the horse's consignment and who had fallen in love with the colt. He was deliriously excited to be able to own him. Live and Learn. Actually I didn't (learn). I bought another colt at a private (foreclosure) auction. He was by More Than Ready out of a good dam. "How could I lose money?" I thought. Well, I almost broke even, :) selling him at the very end of the Sept sale. He went to a good local trainer at CD and won a few races.
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Lord Helpus wrote:
Ziggypop wrote:
Lord Helpus wrote:Sometimes the one bid horses are the consignor or the consignor's friend bidding to a) get the bidding started or 2) bring the horse home again so the meat men will not try to negotiate for the horse.

I have taken home several "no bids". Often the sellers are grateful to have it go to a good home. One I took home was later "World Champion" at the Quarter Horse Congress in English Pleasure (no, I have no idea how a TB qualifies for Congress, but I was sent the picture of the horse with all the swag around him and the huge ribbon around his neck).

The other one became a famous (in its circle) polo pony and was bought by Argentine polo players for $50,000.

The first one got no bids because he was really back at the knees. But that is what made him such an incredible mover and he has stayed sound for at least 14 years by only doing very slow walk, jog and lope. The second one was small and had an ugly ewe neck; polo players think both traits are a plus.

I am sure that some of them come to bad ends, but they are not throw away horses just because they are not wanted in the racing world.
So kill buyers hang around these sales?
No, they don't hang around the sales (as they do at New Holland and other very low $$ auctions). But I have known "buyers" contacting sellers/owners after the sale and promise to give the horse a good home. Yeah.....

Of the 2 I got, one was free and the other was $1000 -- I did not make much money (maybe $1500 each) when I sold them on, after 2 years and breaking them, but I felt good about it.

I also was the only bidder for another colt. He was very cute and when I saw he had no bids, I put my hand up at $1000. THEN I go to look at him.... He had a horrible club foot. I gave him away within 30 minutes to the guy who had worked the horse's consignment and who had fallen in love with the colt. He was deliriously excited to be able to own him. Live and Learn. Actually I didn't (learn). I bought another colt at a private (foreclosure) auction. He was by More Than Ready out of a good dam. "How could I lose money?" I thought. Well, I almost broke even, :) selling him at the very end of the Sept sale. He went to a good local trainer at CD and won a few races.
Thank you for letting me know. And a really big thank you for looking out for those who no one will give a chance.
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Lord Helpus wrote:
Ziggypop wrote:
Lord Helpus wrote:Sometimes the one bid horses are the consignor or the consignor's friend bidding to a) get the bidding started or 2) bring the horse home again so the meat men will not try to negotiate for the horse.

I have taken home several "no bids". Often the sellers are grateful to have it go to a good home. One I took home was later "World Champion" at the Quarter Horse Congress in English Pleasure (no, I have no idea how a TB qualifies for Congress, but I was sent the picture of the horse with all the swag around him and the huge ribbon around his neck).

The other one became a famous (in its circle) polo pony and was bought by Argentine polo players for $50,000.

The first one got no bids because he was really back at the knees. But that is what made him such an incredible mover and he has stayed sound for at least 14 years by only doing very slow walk, jog and lope. The second one was small and had an ugly ewe neck; polo players think both traits are a plus.

I am sure that some of them come to bad ends, but they are not throw away horses just because they are not wanted in the racing world.
So kill buyers hang around these sales?
No, they don't hang around the sales (as they do at New Holland and other very low $$ auctions). But I have known "buyers" contacting sellers/owners after the sale and promise to give the horse a good home. Yeah.....

Of the 2 I got, one was free and the other was $1000 -- I did not make much money (maybe $1500 each) when I sold them on, after 2 years and breaking them, but I felt good about it.

I also was the only bidder for another colt. He was very cute and when I saw he had no bids, I put my hand up at $1000. THEN I go to look at him.... He had a horrible club foot. I gave him away within 30 minutes to the guy who had worked the horse's consignment and who had fallen in love with the colt. He was deliriously excited to be able to own him. Live and Learn. Actually I didn't (learn). I bought another colt at a private (foreclosure) auction. He was by More Than Ready out of a good dam. "How could I lose money?" I thought. Well, I almost broke even, :) selling him at the very end of the Sept sale. He went to a good local trainer at CD and won a few races.
The story of the club-footed colt made me smile. The fact the guy who worked his consignment fell in love with him looking past his flaw makes the ice around my heart melt a little ;)
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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