Matings 2018

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Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:50 pm

lurkey mclurker wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:25 pm
tachyon wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:05 am
Shadai has just released its stallions' numbers of mares bred in 2018.

Top 10s in numbers are:

Lord Kanaloa(JPN)(King Kamehameha) 294
Duramente(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 290
Maurice(JPN) (Screen Hero) 245
Rulership(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 243
Epiphaneia(JPN) (Symboli Kris S) 220
Harbinger(GB) (Dansili) 212
Drefong(USA) (Gio Ponti) 207
Deep Impact(JPN) (Sunday Silence) 197
Heart's Cry(JPN) (Sunday Silence) 174
Isla Bonita(JPN) (Fuji Kiseki) 170
tachyon does Maurice's number include his Australian mares, or just the Japanese mares?
No as the 2018 SH season is about a week old this will be Japan only. Maurice covered approx 120 mares in Australia last season
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:15 am

Treve wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:23 pm
tachyon wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:05 am
Shadai has just released its stallions' numbers of mares bred in 2018.

Top 10s in numbers are:

Lord Kanaloa(JPN)(King Kamehameha) 294
Duramente(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 290
Maurice(JPN) (Screen Hero) 245
Rulership(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 243
Geez and we thought the Coolmore stallions worked hard :lol:
Thanks for sharing Tachyon, interesting to see there's such a huge jump for some stallions and a sharp decline for others.
I'm a bit surprised about Deep Impact, with the results Coolmore has been getting I'd have expected them to send more Galileo mares to him.
Think we'll see an uptick for Heart's Cry because of Yoshida next year?
I suspect that Deep Impact covered fewer mares this year than last year just because of his age.
His numbers are still huge for a stallion aged 16yo,.
He remains Shadai's flagship stallion of course and will only cover very best quaility mares in the world.

I'm not sure if we will see an uptick in numbers for Heart's Cry next year, as he is already 17yo now.
But I do think that he will be given better group of mares and, hopefully, more top US dirt mares will visit him.
Yoshida's success was very good news.
Heart's Cry son stallion Just a Way's flying start as a first-season-sire so far this year has added strong credentials to his own sire-line, too.
I will make a report on the success of Just a Way some day. ;)
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:04 am

tachyon wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:40 am
Numbers of mares bred in Japan 2018

-- Shadai Stallion Station


Stallion Name -- (stallion's stallion) -- number of mares bred in 2018 -- (number of mares bred in 2017)

Daiwa Major(JPN) (Sunday Silence) 136 (161)
Deep Brillante(JPN) (Deep Impact) 86 (148)
Deep Impact(JPN) (Sunday Silence) 197 (231)
Dream Journey(JPN) (Stay Gold) 21 (36)
Drefong(USA) (Gio Ponti) 207 (new)
Duramente(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 290 (284)
Eishin Flash(JPN) (King's Best) 93 (144)
Epiphaneia(JPN) (Symboli Kris S) 220 (210)
Fenomeno(JPN) (Stay Gold) 55 (87)
Harbinger(GB) (Dansili) 212 (164)
Heart's Cry(JPN) (Sunday Silence) 174 (176)
Isla Bonita(JPN) (Fuji Kiseki) 170 (new)
Just a Way(JPN) (Heart's Cry) 148 (121)
King Kamehameha(JPN) (Kingmambo) 122 (132)
Kinshasa no Miseki(AUS) (Fuji Kiseki) 128 (118)
Kitasan Black(JPN) (Black Tide) 130 (new)
Kizuna(JPN) (Deep Impact) 152 (212)
Kurofune(USA) (French Deputy) 103 (66)
Logotype(JPN) (Lohengrin) 97 (new)
Lord Kanaloa(JPN) (King Kamehameha) 294 (243)
Maurice(JPN) (Screen Hero) 245 (265)
Mikki Isle(JPN) (Deep Impact) 159 (147)
Novellist(IRE) (Monsun) 48 (111)
Orfevre(JPN) (Stay Gold) 136 (191)
Reach the Crown(JPN) (Special Week) 52 (98)
Real Impact(JPN) (Deep Impact) 36 (112)
Rulership (King Kamehameha) 243 (240)
Satono Aladdin(JPN) (Deep Impact) 118 (new)
Spielberg(JPN) (Deep Impact) 46 (58)
Here are some more analysis on the Shadai's numbers this year:

---- Numbers by Stallion's Stallion

King Kamehameha 827
Deep Impact 597
Sunday Silence 507
Fuji Kiseki 298
Screen Hero 245
Symboli Kris S 220
Dansili 212
Stay Gold 212
Gio Ponti 207
Heart's Cry 148
Black Tide 130
Kingmambo 122
French Deputy 103
Lohengrin 97
King's Best 93
Special Week 52
Monsun 48
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Total 4118

Represented by Lord Kanaloa, Duramente and Rulership, it looks like King Kamehameha is building a major power in Shadai and the Japanese breeding as a whole.


-- Numbers by Sire-line

Sunday Silence line 1944
Kingmambo line 1042
Roberto line 465
Danehill line 212
Storm Cat line 207
Deputy Minister line 103
Sadler's Wells line 97
Monsun line 48
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Total 4118

Shadai's Stallions' sire-lines don't seem to be well diversified.
What we are seeing right now is a match-up between Sunday Silence-line and Kingmambo-line.
But Roberto-line may join the battle, too, if Epiphaneia and Maurice turn out to be very successful, too.
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:45 am

I'm building a partial list of noteworthy 2018 Aus/NZ matings that I see in various places but don't think you guys would know (or care) about the names if I put them up here?

Uberalles (Giants Causeway-Ethereal) The G1 placed daughter of MelbCup winner Ethereal will visit FSS Almanzor
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:04 am

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Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:34 pm

RugbyGirl--I'm interested in horses of US breeding or major accomplishments, so thank you. P.S I did a "light hiking" trip to South Island in March--great scenery, food, and wine, but if I never see another rain forest, that's fine with me!
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:04 pm

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RugbyGirl--I'm interested in horses of US breeding or major accomplishments, so thank you. P.S I did a "light hiking" trip to South Island in March--great scenery, food, and wine, but if I never see another rain forest, that's fine with me!
Now I'm curious, what contributed to your feelings about this wet, apparent hellscape :lol:
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:04 pm

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Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:04 am
Mares Godolphin Sent to Galileo

https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/b ... ear/346673
So it seems they've buried the hatchet, as Coolmore has sent mares to Dubawi as well. What started the Coolmore/Godolphin feud in the first place?
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... o-revealed
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:34 pm

When they've got 2 supersires in Galileo and Dubawi, whose daughters could often be good crosses with the other, it seemed a shame not to patronize them from both sides.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:26 pm

Treve wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:04 pm
What started the Coolmore/Godolphin feud in the first place?
I'm sure there were many reasons. Here is an article from 2006:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... stock.html
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:08 pm

Flanders wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:26 pm
Treve wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:04 pm
What started the Coolmore/Godolphin feud in the first place?
I'm sure there were many reasons. Here is an article from 2006:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... stock.html
Thank you! This clarifies a lot of the questions I had since I'd first heard/read about the cold war between these two. Although I can only imagine how furious the normally soft-spoken, measured AOB had to be at Dettori for saying something like that.
Their grudge match being over can only be a good thing for breeding... more outcrossing more lines supported/kept alive.

I've got a few theories about what helped build the bridge.
A filly named Ruffian...

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Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:53 pm

I'd wager the fact that Galileo has gone on to become the most influential sire on the planet, and possibly better than Sadler's Wells and Danehill, played a large role. Dubawi is great, and he's taken advantage of the lacklustre (by Coolmore's standards) year that Ballydoyle has had, but Galileo is just too good to ignore. And before Charlie Appleby really hit is stride this year with some great homebreds and big auction purchases, Godolphin's results had been almost embarrassingly bad for 5+ years. Saeed bin Suroor's still are.

After all of bin Suroor's complaining in 2017, and the fact that John Ferguson (Godolphin's bloodstock agent/buyer) is gone (his son is one of Charlie Appleby's Assistant Trainers, which led Bin Suroor to state that that is why Appleby has been getting the better stock), I wonder if Bin Suroor got better two year olds in 2018. As of now, it sure doesn't seem like it. I think it's more that Godolphin changed their policy on keeping horses-in-training purchases with their existing owners, instead of giving them to Bin Suroor.

That was mostly off topic, but I find the Coolmore/Godolphin superpowers and their feuds really interesting.
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:45 am

Alright here is the start of some interesting Southern Hemisphere matings

Abbey Marie (AUS) (Redoutes Choice-Catshaan by Catrail) G1 South Australian Oaks winner to Deep Impact (SH season)
Amathea (NZ) (O'Reilly-Solano by Red Glow (GB)) dam of New Zealand Oaks winner Savaria to FSS Pariah (by Redoutes Choice)
Gold Anthem (AUS) (Made Of Gold (USA)-National Song by Vain) dam of Starspangledbanner to Zoustar
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Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:01 pm

Going back through this thread and Kitten's Joy got some good mares.
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Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:45 am

So the reaction to these ones are going to cause me some amusement

Songbird (NZ) (Black Minnaloushe (USA)-Drama Queen (NZ) by Prince Of Praise) dam of G1 winner Stolen Dance to Tavistock

Stolen Dance (NZ) (Alamosa (NZ-Songbird (NZ) by Black Minnaloushe (USA)) G1 2018 Thorndon Mile winner to Savabeel
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Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:12 pm

Treve wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:04 pm
Diver52 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:34 pm
RugbyGirl--I'm interested in horses of US breeding or major accomplishments, so thank you. P.S I did a "light hiking" trip to South Island in March--great scenery, food, and wine, but if I never see another rain forest, that's fine with me!
Now I'm curious, what contributed to your feelings about this wet, apparent hellscape :lol:
Well, "rain" forest should give you a hint! :D Actually we didn't have all that much rain, it was just that the forest landscape was a little monochromatic. Like, green. As an avid amateur photographer, I found it challenging! But. . .I'm going to Tasmania this spring, so I guess I couldn't have hated it too much.
I ran marathons. I saw the Taj Mahal by Moonlight. I drove Highway 1 in a convertible. I petted Zenyatta.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:14 pm

Diver52 wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:12 pm
Treve wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:04 pm
Diver52 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:34 pm
RugbyGirl--I'm interested in horses of US breeding or major accomplishments, so thank you. P.S I did a "light hiking" trip to South Island in March--great scenery, food, and wine, but if I never see another rain forest, that's fine with me!
Now I'm curious, what contributed to your feelings about this wet, apparent hellscape :lol:
Well, "rain" forest should give you a hint! :D Actually we didn't have all that much rain, it was just that the forest landscape was a little monochromatic. Like, green. As an avid amateur photographer, I found it challenging! But. . .I'm going to Tasmania this spring, so I guess I couldn't have hated it too much.
Fair enough :P
But that lush greenery can be gorgeous if you know how to capture it!
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:10 pm

In more Winx news: her dam Vegas Showgirl has had a 15 day positive to Deep Impact

https://mobile.twitter.com/TDNAusNZ/sta ... 2961449986
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:21 pm

RugbyGirl wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:10 pm
In more Winx news: her dam Vegas Showgirl has had a 15 day positive to Deep Impact

https://mobile.twitter.com/TDNAusNZ/sta ... 2961449986
Woohoo! Exciting!!!
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:38 pm

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Woohoo! Exciting!!!
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Looking through my notes a few more SH mares to Deep Impact
A Time For Julia (AUS) (Redoutes Choice-Procrastinate by Jade Hunter) stakesplaced to Deep Impact
Omei Sword (AUS) (High Chaparral-Irish Lights by Fastnet Rock) G2 winner to Deep Impact
Peron (AUS) (Husson-Faster Pussycat by Flying Spur) stakesplaced to Deep Impact

Plus Australian G1 winning mares She Will Reign, Silent Sedition and Single Gaze have all been sold to Shadai in recent months and will all be covered by Deep Impact next NH season
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