What does "stamp his get" mean?

What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby Ridan_Remembered » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:11 pm

What does it mean when people say a sire stamps his get? Is it color? Markings? A particular type of conformation? Temperament? I genuinely don't know what the term means, so welcome anyone's insights.

For example, there is a distinct Northern Dancer type. He was a small, compact, muscular bay with a blaze and three white socks. A large number of his offspring and descendants are the same type.

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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:38 pm

RR, I think you just answered your own question. ;)
When I've seen the phrase 'stamps his get,' it usually refers to the physical resemblance, like conformation and coloring.
IMHO, Lonhro is a good example. His son Denman is the spitting image of his sire. When I'm looking at a field where I know there is a Lonhro running, I can usually pick out the individual; built like a miler and usually black. 8-)
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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby Ballerina » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:39 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:RR, I think you just answered your own question. ;)
When I've seen the phrase 'stamps his get,' it usually refers to the physical resemblance, like conformation and coloring.
IMHO, Lonhro is a good example. His son Denman is the spitting image of his sire. When I'm looking at a field where I know there is a Lonhro running, I can usually pick out the individual; built like a miler and usually black. 8-)


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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby Ridan_Remembered » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:23 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:RR, I think you just answered your own question. ;)


I guess, but the term still confuses me. So for example, can a sire be thought of as stamping his get if he gets a wide variety of coat colors? Can a sire be thought of as stamping his get only if a high percentage of his foals resemble him and not their dams? Or a small percentage? I'm not sure I'm being clear, but trying to be.

Northern Dancer is, to me, unusual. Although there is a distinct ND type that has lasted through several generations, his best racing son was Nijinsky II. Nijinsky resembled his dam, not his sire ND.

Another example is Tapit. Most of his get are grays, but gray is a dominant color. So is he stamping his get because most are gray, or are they gray because the color is dominant? See what I'm trying to get at?

For that matter, is it even important in Thoroughbred racing for a stallion to stamp his get?
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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:45 pm

Good questions. I don't think we will find a definitive answer, since we're dealing with the impression that a stallion is siring offspring that look like him. We may hear that horses like Honor Code run like A.P. Indy (low head), so 'Indy 'stamped his get' with that colt....but how many of 'Indy's offspring actually run like that?
Tapit's grey get may add to the impression that the Pulpit stallion 'stamps his get,' but, as you point out, grey is a dominant color, and may end up on horses that don't actually have Tapit's conformation.
Maybe a better example of a prepotent stallion is Galileo. His kids are almost always bay (Winter is kind of rare), with a white snip or blaze, not large or heavy, and handsome with a chiselled head. And tremendous talent on the turf. :P
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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:05 pm

Speaking of Lonhro, his three-year-old daughter, Nootka Sound, just won the 8th at Gulfstream, a 7 1/2-furlong AOC on the grass. And, yes, the Wesley Ward-trained filly is mid-sized, almost black and with a pretty head. ;) :D Like Dad.
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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby Miss Woodford » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:37 pm

Classic example is the Fair Play neck- thick, upright and upside-down.

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It can be seen in many of his later descendants as well.
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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby Ridan_Remembered » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:43 pm

Miss Woodford wrote:Classic example is the Fair Play neck- thick, upright and upside-down.


Nice, helpful post. Question...what does upside-down mean?
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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:54 pm

I'm going to guess it's the muscular, convex curve on the underside of the neck. :P ;)
I think it's rather attractive. Adds to the powerful image of the stallions.
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Re: What does "stamp his get" mean?

Postby Falinadin » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:12 pm

On the biology side of things, "stamping his get" can be related to the heterzygosity/homozygosity of his genetics. If a stallion is strongly linebred, or his dam and sire were similar (both short, both fine boned, whatever), then his genetics will all be similar, in a sense. He'll produce offspring of a similar type. On the other hand if you breed a 17h fine boned stallion to a short thick mare and the resultant colt is middle of the road, who knows what he'll produce. Are his recessive genes from his sire or dam?

This can be of value to breeders because you have a better idea about what he'll throw, and can maybe make a better choice for your mare.

I have a huge collection of sales conformation pictures from the past 5 years or so, and it's really interesting seeing the conformational traits that stallions pass down.

Tapit has an attractive head, a neck that ties in high, straight knees, a flat-ish hip, and is a tiny bit posty in his rear legs.
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Here are yearlings of his that carry some of those same traits:
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Not every offspring of his has all these traits, but they're common enough that I can pick out a number of Tapit yearlings just by their looks.
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