What does "stamp his get" mean?

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In the case of Fair Play, it's not really just the neck--it's the whole front end. Comes with that prominent wither and shoulder.

Still pops up sometimes. Look at Da'Tara, who is a direct male line descendant of Fair Play: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ed/66/76/ed66 ... horses.jpg
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Ridan_Remembered wrote:
Miss Woodford wrote:Classic example is the Fair Play neck- thick, upright and upside-down.
Nice, helpful post. Question...what does upside-down mean?
The bulk of the musculature and "weight" of the neck is on the underside instead of the crest, and the neck . Can be used interchangeably with the term "ewe neck" but they are slightly different.
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Rainyday wrote:In the case of Fair Play, it's not really just the neck--it's the whole front end. Comes with that prominent wither and shoulder.

Still pops up sometimes. Look at Da'Tara, who is a direct male line descendant of Fair Play: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ed/66/76/ed66 ... horses.jpg
Tiznow didn't have it that noticeably but some of his offspring sure do.

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Wonderful discussion. Thank you everyone. One reason I posed this question about stamping get aside from the fact that it has been a hard concept for me to fully understand, is that I like Gun Runner. I wish him well at stud, but don't see much resemblance between him and either his sire, Candy Ride, or dam, Quiet Giant, and wondered how that might affect his stud career if at all.

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Miss Woodford
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Ridan_Remembered wrote: Quiet Giant
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Off topic, but are those are the craziest Bend Or spots (?) I've ever seen.
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Ridan_Remembered wrote:Wonderful discussion. Thank you everyone. One reason I posed this question about stamping get aside from the fact that it has been a hard concept for me to fully understand, is that I like Gun Runner. I wish him well at stud, but don't see much resemblance between him and either his sire, Candy Ride, or dam, Quiet Giant, and wondered how that might affect his stud career if at all.

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Looks like his mom to me.
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Usually "stamping" the get (at least in other breeds and disciplines) refers to the conformation and/or biomechanics, moreso than colour or pigment. And when you say a stallion or a mare stamps their get usually you mean that they produce a good chunk of their offspring that resembles them or carries a distinctive characteristic that is "unmistakably X". That doesn't mean they can't/don't produce offspring who won't be like that. But it's the difference between a stallion that produces offspring with a lot of common characteristics, vs a stallion that produces horses all over the map. For example Cairo Prince yearlings were very well received because from what I've heard he's passing on good conformation and good biomechanics consistently. If he continues to "breed true" one could say he is stamping his get.

I see both of his parents in Gun Runner, but he does look more like mom conformationally. She's super flashy with her bend'or spots I gotta say.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Treve wrote:Usually "stamping" the get (at least in other breeds and disciplines) refers to the conformation and/or biomechanics, moreso than colour or pigment. And when you say a stallion or a mare stamps their get usually you mean that they produce a good chunk of their offspring that resembles them or carries a distinctive characteristic that is "unmistakably X".
Thanks Treve, focusing on conformation/biomechanics helps me conceptualize the term. Gun Runner is smallish and carries his head low like A.P. Indy. Yet he has zero A.P. Indy in his pedigree and neither Candy Ride nor Quiet Giant have that characteristic. It's such an interesting topic. :)
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:46 am

It is so neat to see these pictures. Thank you to all for posting them. Wonder how much Gun Runner will change appearance-wise when he becomes less race- fit looking, and becomes more "studdy" looking? I'm wondering if he will start to look more like dad?
I have a Rock Hard Ten mare, who looks just like her dad. I have been able to recognize a lot of Rock Hard Tens right away because he seems to really stamp them.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:35 am

Speaking of Northern Dancer, his son Danzig, who looks quite a lot like him, stamped a good number of his sons, I think.

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Hard Spun (who has a prettier head than most Danzigs, I think)
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Danehill (who honestly looks more like Northern Dancer)
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:33 pm

How different are these in type than the photos from Japan that Tachyon shares? Holy cow.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:27 pm

A.P Indy- Honor Code is a good example. HC has more bling to him- but you can tell who daddy is.
By extension- HC is really marking his foals as well. I think its that eye that draws you in
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:39 pm

stamping get to me means a striking resemblance to sire.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:14 pm

I thought of this thread thanks to a post on facebook about Cairo Prince, Midnight Storm and American Pharoah

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and for fun,
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imho this is an example of a stallion that stamps his get particularly with his wide, strong shoulder his strong hip and his topline (strong if slightly flat back). He even seems to be stamping them with a slightly longer loin. The necks are also similar in shape from the throatlatch down, although they seem to vary in thickness and length. Cairo Prince has a bit more of a swan-like neck, Pharoah has a neck that is a tad too short from an aesthetic point of view. The chest is also consistent both in how the neck ties into it and in shape. Their heads and are pretty different though. They all have very nice angulation as well, nice straight legs although Social Inclusion borders on the post-y with his pasterns. The overall shape and impression of the horses are similar - rectangular bodied but long legged.
The wide shoulder makes sense since PotN's smooth efficient action he got from Empire Maker and passed it down to Pharoah and CP as far as I can remember. And one of the comments about CP's yearlings was being stamped with a wide shoulder and a far reaching, strong walking stride.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:43 pm

We need to remember that the pre-race photos of a field that Tachyon provides are of horses who are race-fit and lean. The above photos are mostly of mature stallions who have had time to fill out.
I must say that the Danzigs seem to really fill out their bellies. :lol:
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:37 pm

Miss Woodford wrote:
Ridan_Remembered wrote: Quiet Giant
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Off topic, but are those are the craziest Bend Or spots (?) I've ever seen.
I was just about to ask the same thing.
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Delamont wrote:
Miss Woodford wrote:
Ridan_Remembered wrote: Quiet Giant
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Off topic, but are those are the craziest Bend Or spots (?) I've ever seen.
I was just about to ask the same thing.
Are those Bend Or spots? I've seen other pics of her and she doesn't have them. Could it be reverse dappling?
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:27 pm

To me it looks like a sunbleached coat that didn't clip out great. Or just a bay horse who didn't clip out great in general. When our horses get their first clipping after going from Canada to Florida for the winter, they look dull and faded with odd dapples. Takes a few weeks for their coats to grow out and get shiny again.
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Northport wrote:To me it looks like a sunbleached coat that didn't clip out great. Or just a bay horse who didn't clip out great in general. When our horses get their first clipping after going from Canada to Florida for the winter, they look dull and faded with odd dapples. Takes a few weeks for their coats to grow out and get shiny again.
I think you might be right. The same photo is with her pedigree here: http://www.pedigreequery.com/quiet+giant but another photo shows her differently, a bay with no spots. I used the first photo for the comparison to her son because it is a conformation photo.

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While on the subject of Quiet Giant (although this may be wandering away from the original subject ;)), Paulick has an interesting article on her pedigree.
https://www.paulickreport.com/features/ ... sts-turns/
If the female side makes the best stallions, Gun Runner could be a very good sire.
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Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:56 am

The term “stamp his get” comes from a physical stand-point (conformation), not colour. I think PoTN is a great example, but I also think he’s passing along Unbridled traits.

I think Speightstown stamps his get with that big butt.

I’m on the fence about Tapit - he does stamp some of his get, but a lot of them resemble the dam/damsire.

Those aren’t Bend Or spots.
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