APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby stark » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:28 pm

I'm very confident that some things in this country can be kept confidential despite what Helen Thomas may have wanted to know about. I'm curious who let this one leak.....did Homeland Security announce they were going to ask APPLE for a favor or did APPLE announce that the Government approached them first?

Seems to me that by keeping this one thing secret, all sides could've reached agreement, no?

p.s. a stretch comparison......I have a safety deposit box with secret documents stored at a major financial institution, they have a key and I have key and both keys have to be used in tandem to open the box. I'm also a terrorist who just killed some people and then I got killed by the cops. Is it unreasonable to think that there wouldn't be a court order to open that sealed box and that it wouldn't be done in a hurry without a lot of fuss? Is a key really any different than encryption?

p.p.s. even though this issue may wind up in the Supreme Court for a ruling, I'm hoping it isn't considered Political for this forum, curious if we're any different than the 50/50 populace?
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby Admin » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:42 pm

I'm fully in support of Apple having to comply. Our phones are computers, really, and so I see this no differently than I do a court order to search a computer. The one "hitch" that I see has to do with ordering a private company (or person) to "work" for the government, but if you're the inventor of a safe, in essence, that's uncrackable except by you, I'm going to think it's alright that you may be called upon to crack that safe on occasion. They can reimburse you for your time/skill.
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby Somnambulist » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:25 pm

Nope. See no reason why they should comply. Good for them for putting up a stink.
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby BaroqueAgain1 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:28 pm

IMHO, the safe deposit box/safe comparison isn't quite apples and apples.
If you get a court order to open one particular safe deposit box or safe, the action doesn't open EVERY other similar deposit box or safe in the country. And it doesn't make that one open-it-all key available then to any nefarious person/group who knows how to use it...which, if I understand the situation correctly, might be what would happen if Apple designs a "back door" to their encryption code.
I see both sides, but there has to be a compromise somewhere. :?
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby Somnambulist » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:48 pm

No one needs access like that to my nudes. JK.

I agree there's probably a compromise but the government has access to enough of my money and life. God Forbid Sanders gets in and Jesus knows what they'll do with my shit.
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby Admin » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:20 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:IMHO, the safe deposit box/safe comparison isn't quite apples and apples.
If you get a court order to open one particular safe deposit box or safe, the action doesn't open EVERY other similar deposit box or safe in the country. And it doesn't make that one open-it-all key available then to any nefarious person/group who knows how to use it...which, if I understand the situation correctly, might be what would happen if Apple designs a "back door" to their encryption code.
I see both sides, but there has to be a compromise somewhere. :?


If Apple is worried that their coding can be stolen, then aren't they admitting to a lack of proper security?
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby Admin » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:26 pm

Somnambulist wrote:No one needs access like that to my nudes. JK.

I agree there's probably a compromise but the government has access to enough of my money and life. God Forbid Sanders gets in and Jesus knows what they'll do with my shit.


I'd agree with you in cases where the reach is wide. That's not the case here. There is a court order for this search. Under these circumstances you don't have much of a concern the the government is going to get a court ordered warrant unless you're a criminal.

The amount of data that the big tech companies have on us is already mind boggling, and we're trusting them with that.

These are the growing pains of the tech era. It's way too late to put the horses back in the barn.
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby Somnambulist » Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:49 am

Well I wouldn't say I'm trusting them. They've made it impossible to exist and or work without a lot of it and to function in this country you just have to accept it.

If the encryption thing were only to be used for good purposes like finding people who want to cause us harm, or things along those lines, then yeah, go for it. But the world never operates that way.
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby stark » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:47 am

Who's in charge of the slippery slope?

For the folks that think 100,000,000's of innocent folks at Starbucks are going to be impacted by this decision.....doesn't that responsibility lie with APPLE?
Are they saying that once it's invented that they can't control it and it would be available for mass release?

Hogwash!

APPLE is in control of the destiny period.

If they write the code, use it for this one request, get reimbursed for their labor and then drag it to the recycle bin, doesn't the slippery slope concept dry up rather quickly? At least it does from the Government's side of things, there's nothing Washington DC can do to slide down the slope, if it fails it would be on APPLE, no?

Now if APPLE wants to think that the Government's request might happen again in April, and elect not to destroy the secret proprietary codes, that's okay but they're the ones in total control of mass hysteria, which there won't be any if APPLE controls things the way they should, are they really afraid they'll fail at that?
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Re: APPLE Should or Shouldn't?

Postby Admin » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:23 am

Bingo, Stark.
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