2017 Fasig-Tipton November Sale

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Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:14 am

Perfect conformation doesn't equal better athlete!
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Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:14 pm

Izvestia wrote:Perfect conformation doesn't equal better athlete!
No it doesn't, but in a breeding prospect who did have soundness issues, it's got to effect price at some level.

To whomever mentioned she could have been stepping forward.....she wasn't. There's tons of recent photos of her...photos Taylor Made were comfortable sharing on their own page.
I've always read the same...given a choice over at the knees is better than back at the knee. But correct is always better obviously.

Wonderful she was. Correct, she certainly ain't.....

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Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:52 pm

When it comes to broodmare prospects, buyers tend to more easily overlook conformation issues if the filly/mare could run, which Songbird obviously could. You see mares sell every year for well into 7 figures, even if they are less than perfect. Songbird, as a dual champion, is a special offering and it probably won't affect her price much.
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Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:08 pm

I agree wit you Mons. I think buyers tend to be far more forgiving of conformation issues in their broodmare prospects vs stallions prospects.
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Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:32 pm

It's clear she was over at the knee as a yearling but nowhere near what she is now so I think the stress of racing contributed to her current state which in addition to everything else mentioned in the thread, leads me to believe buyers will be extremely forgiving. She's 3/4 lengths off a perfect racing record, champion at 2 and 3 and I've no doubt in my mind she could've very well been a champ at 4 were it not for the unfortunate latent issue.
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Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:01 pm

I have a question for those of you with more knowledge about how conformation affects a horse when running top speeds.
Could being over at the knee have contributed to her injuries?
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Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:33 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I have a question for those of you with more knowledge about how conformation affects a horse when running top speeds.
Could being over at the knee have contributed to her injuries?
In part, but I almost want to say in her case her hind situation probably contributed to adding more stress to the front. Her bone chip was in one of her front legs right? THAT certainly could have been the sum total of the suspensory injuries in the back + being over at the knee.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:24 am

http://soarwithsongbird.com/ beautiful promo job from Taylor Made.
Also there's a clip of her yearling sale in the video, she definitely wasn't as over at the knee as now, and even now she isn't as badly over as that photo in the thread. Though I did take note of some of the angles of the shot ;)
Really looking forward to the fireworks tonight!
A filly named Ruffian...

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Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:50 am

What are our guesses for what she goes for? I haven't a clue, but ignoring her funny legs, I'd say at least $8 million.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:39 am

Considering her as a broodmare prospect I would look at her pedigree. Are there over at the knee horses in her lineage? If not it is a conformation issue singular to her...a birth defect. Therefore she can't transfer the knee issue to her offspring. It would be a non-issue in the sale price for me. That being said I still can't afford her. :(
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Izvestia wrote:What are our guesses for what she goes for? I haven't a clue, but ignoring her funny legs, I'd say at least $8 million.
She's a once in a lifetime opportunity. I feel $8M is high (note: I'm basing this off nothing) - $5M? I just hope she stays in the US.
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Somnambulist wrote:
Izvestia wrote:What are our guesses for what she goes for? I haven't a clue, but ignoring her funny legs, I'd say at least $8 million.
She's a once in a lifetime opportunity. I feel $8M is high (note: I'm basing this off nothing) - $5M? I just hope she stays in the US.
Well, Grace sold for $10M and and I think this filly wasn't as good a racemare as Grace was. Songbird definitely didn't have a Blind Luck to contend with and she never went up against males. Songbird's pedigree might be a little better. Definitely a more international-appeal pedigree with MDO. I think we could see $8M. I can't imagine her being anything below $5M?
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:32 pm

Is Fasig-Tipton going to show their sale online like Keeneland? I haven't been able to find a live-streaming link.
It could be pretty entertaining to watch the bids on some of these high-quality horses.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:36 pm

The market has been pretty healthy at the upper end this year so I feel like 8 million wouldn't be out of the question as she is supposedly "the most accomplished broodmare prospect ever offered at public auction in north america"(I don't know what they're using to base that on (Eclipse Awards + # of G1s won?)). I wanna say 8.2 million, but higher wouldn't shock me. Anything under 5 million would really surprise me. It's not just her record of course, there's the pedigree too and the other factors on the sales pages.

F-T normally does livestream their sale.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:07 pm

She's bred similar to Rachel, and she produced 2 high quality individuals, and all signs point to MDO being a helluva broodmare sire - the night is still young!
My guess was somewhere between $5-8 million, but I shot for the stars. She's a jewel!
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:29 pm

It's almost a shame Porter doesn't keep his mares. That would be some broodmare band.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:12 pm

I found a link for the sale.
http://www.fasigtipton.com/fasig-tipton ... gvideo.php
The list to the left of the live view only lists the hips by #, sire and dam. I guess I have to hunt and peck to find out whether the horse is a F or C, weanling or broodmare...or if it's Tepin. :P
Also, nothing's happening in the ring, so they must be starting a little late.
FYI, Tepin is #130.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:40 pm

First American Pharoah weanling to be offered for sale is Hip #20.
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Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:43 pm

#19 is a filly out of a daughter of Vertinineux. Highest so far, $375,000.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:45 pm

#20, a rather fuzzy baby, goes for $250,000.
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