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BaroqueAgain1
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:53 pm

RugbyGirl: No he will head back to HK to recover from his injury. Almost none go to China. The majority of horses in HK will retire to NZ or AUS (eventually)

On another thread discussing whether Oz horses ever come to our Breeders' Cup, you mentioned the quarantine issues which AUS and NZ are still having with Hong Kong/China. Will that mean that Lucky Bubbles won't be able to retire to AUS/NZ until the quarantine problems are resolved?
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:02 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:53 pm

On another thread discussing whether Oz horses ever come to our Breeders' Cup, you mentioned the quarantine issues which AUS and NZ are still having with Hong Kong/China. Will that mean that Lucky Bubbles won't be able to retire to AUS/NZ until the quarantine problems are resolved?
No the quarantine is Australia only. The majority of HK horses are currently coming to New Zealand to retire.

The problem is the new training base that Hong Kong jockey club have opened in mainland China, despite the strict protocols they are using to ensure the horses are safe & quarantined from the rest of China, the kneejerk reaction of the Australian Government is to put a additional SIX MONTH quarantine on any horses travelling from HK to Australia!

Here is a recent article in the Hong Kong racing paper about the current situation
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:35 pm

I'm not sure I blame anyone for doubting the effectiveness of Chinese oversight on health issues.
I just had to change a medication because it turned out that one of its Chinese-produced ingredients had this little problem...it was a cancer-causing substance. :shock:
I believe the FDA has discovered another adulterant in that med that is NOT healthy for human use, courtesy of its Chinese manufacturer. :roll:
And it's hard to forget the melamine that ended up in Chinese-sourced pet food, killing many animals. :(
Or the formaldehyde-contaminated particle board from Chinese manufacturers.
Or the....well, you get my point.
I'm happy that Hong Kong horses can find a happy retirement in NZ, but I really hope that Conghua's safety protocols are really, truly, ACTUALLY safe. :oops:
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:38 pm

I just noticed I missed the link on my first comment
https://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/artic ... quarantine

Yes I agree with all of your comments but Conghua was built and run by the Hong Kong Jockey Club. They control all horse and people movements in and out of the complex and all horse movements are controlled with military efficiency

This is a old article from SCMP but describes the challenges and work that the HKJC have done on biosecurity and quarantine issues
https://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/artic ... -treatment

Plus more recently from New Zealand media
https://www.racingnews.co.nz/blog/post/ ... goes-live/
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:24 pm

Just when I needed to see a little good news on a bad day, there's Angus. Just look at how well he's walking...looks like he's considering what he wants to do in his next career, lol!

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Check this video out that Maria Kabel sent me. He is walking so good and all i can say is WOW! He has been watching daily all the other horses doing the jumps so today Angus got to explore the jumps. And NO we are not going to jump him!
Video: https://www.facebook.com/17645025005171 ... 709934845/
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Big Tire (Candy Ride), who began his career on the big stage, racing along side California Chrome and Hoppertunity in the 2014 Santa Anita Derby has ended up running in claimers at Thistledown. Last week (9/27/17), he was a DNF in race 7 - "injured nearing the far turn, pulled up and vanned off". Any news would be greatly appreciated.

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Sparrow Castle wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:24 pm
Just when I needed to see a little good news on a bad day, there's Angus. Just look at how well he's walking...looks like he's considering what he wants to do in his next career, lol!

The Player is at Indian Ridge Farm / OTTBs / English Riding Lessons.
4 hrs · Frankfort, KY ·
Check this video out that Maria Kabel sent me. He is walking so good and all i can say is WOW! He has been watching daily all the other horses doing the jumps so today Angus got to explore the jumps. And NO we are not going to jump him!
Video: https://www.facebook.com/17645025005171 ... 709934845/
We visited Angus today at the Indian Ridge open house. He looked great. Brass Hat did, too. I’ll try to upload photos later.
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Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:48 pm

ThreeMustangs wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:47 pm
Sparrow Castle wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:24 pm
Just when I needed to see a little good news on a bad day, there's Angus. Just look at how well he's walking...looks like he's considering what he wants to do in his next career, lol!

The Player is at Indian Ridge Farm / OTTBs / English Riding Lessons.
4 hrs · Frankfort, KY ·
Check this video out that Maria Kabel sent me. He is walking so good and all i can say is WOW! He has been watching daily all the other horses doing the jumps so today Angus got to explore the jumps. And NO we are not going to jump him!
Video: https://www.facebook.com/17645025005171 ... 709934845/
We visited Angus today at the Indian Ridge open house. He looked great. Brass Hat did, too. I’ll try to upload photos later.
That's wonderful, ThreeMustangs! I always liked both those horses (and their people), but Angus and his goofiness just stole my heart. And it's no small feat to recover from what he's gone through, pretty amazing really. I'd love to see pics and hear about your visit.
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:38 am

Last Promise Kept in the Megahertz suffered a catastrophic injury. I’m assuming the worst, but hoping to confirm. :cry:
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Last Promise Kept in the Megahertz suffered a catastrophic injury. I’m assuming the worst, but hoping to confirm. :cry:
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Vasikila (3-5) won Monday's G3 Megahertz Stakes over 4-1 Ms Bad Behavior. Sadly, Last Promise Kept broke down badly on backstretch, 2nd severe injury in turf stakes in as many days. #santaanita #drf
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:18 pm

Not sure how accurate but Last Promise Kept's PQ page lists her as having not survived.

I loved her name.
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:43 pm

From John Cherwa's LA Times newsletter:
Sadness at Santa Anita

Santa Anita had another two horses break down during racing on Monday. In the seventh race, Like Really Smart, a 3-year-old gelding, was pulled up by jockey Flavien Prat shortly after leaving the gate after taking a bad step. He was vanned off and there was no immediate word on his prognosis.

In the feature, Last Promise Kept, ridden by Joe Talamo, broke down on the back stretch with a left-hind injury during the one-mile turf race, was vanned off the course, and later euthanized when it was determined that there was no chance of recovery.

On Sunday, Amboseli, ridden by Kent Desormeaux, was pulled up in the Astra Stakes with a life-ending injury. Both fatalities occurred on the turf course.

There is a new track superintendent in Andy LaRocco after Dennis Moore left at the beginning of the year. That’s a tough spot to be after some relatively safe meets. Without question, this is a trend no one wants to see but everyone wants to see end.
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:08 am

Not a Thoroughbred, but a QH, Rose Dynasty appeared to break down in race 1 at turf paradise on 1-20. Chart just says lost rear end action, and lost rider. Watching the race, it looked bad, and then they quickly zoomed the camera away from her. Does anyone know her fate?
This is also making me wonder - are they telling the chartwriters to make the charts as vague as possible? I’ve noticed a lot of “injured, van offs”, but no updates on outcomes. Even with poor Last Promise Kept, her chart just said catastrophic injury and vanned off. Are they trying to hide the deaths?
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:04 am

genuinerizk wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:08 am
Not a Thoroughbred, but a QH, Rose Dynasty appeared to break down in race 1 at turf paradise on 1-20. Chart just says lost rear end action, and lost rider. Watching the race, it looked bad, and then they quickly zoomed the camera away from her. Does anyone know her fate?
This is also making me wonder - are they telling the chartwriters to make the charts as vague as possible? I’ve noticed a lot of “injured, van offs”, but no updates on outcomes. Even with poor Last Promise Kept, her chart just said catastrophic injury and vanned off. Are they trying to hide the deaths?
Noooooo, really???
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:49 am

Sorry, Catalina, I’m not sure if that’s in reference to the horse or my wondering if they are hiding the deaths, but I used to see that the charts would actually say “euthanized on track,” “vanned off and euthanized”, “suffered catastrophic injury, euthanized”, but I no longer see mention of that in any charts I’ve read so far this year. So I was wondering if this is a new policy for chartwriters.
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:05 pm

Yes, IMHO that is exactly what the track is doing. My comment was aimed at the track trying not to call attention to the number of casualties. The average visitor is led to assume that the horse has a chance to survive, else it would have been euthanized on the track. Having even one fatal break down per race day sounds bad, but two (and possibly three) ?
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:30 pm

I'd like to look at the fact that injured horses are vanned back to their barns from a more hopeful side. They get exams and various diagnostic scans done by their own vets. There are advancements in treatments for some injuries, so getting the horse back to their stall gives it a chance to be thoroughly examined. If the decision to euthanize still happens, it may not be made until the next day.
I'd rather see an injured horse given every chance at survival, rather than an expedient (and certain to make it into the charts) euthanization on the track. :(
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:48 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:30 pm
I'd like to look at the fact that injured horses are vanned back to their barns from a more hopeful side. They get exams and various diagnostic scans done by their own vets. There are advancements in treatments for some injuries, so getting the horse back to their stall gives it a chance to be thoroughly examined. If the decision to euthanize still happens, it may not be made until the next day.
I'd rather see an injured horse given every chance at survival, rather than an expedient (and certain to make it into the charts) euthanization on the track. :(
I like to look at it from this perspective, as well.

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Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:53 pm

Did Arcadia get a boatload of rain recently?
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:11 pm

The Doctors Saint wrote:
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Did Arcadia get a boatload of rain recently?
I believe the mayor authorized the building of an ark, last week.
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