horses with unique coloring/facial markings

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Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:12 pm

Treve wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:46 am
Miss Woodford wrote:
Ridan_Remembered wrote:Please don't misunderstand what I'm about to ask, as I do not mean in any way to cast doubt on this colt's breeding, but I wonder if some of the unusual coloring we see from time to time in Thoroughbreds might come from less-than-ethical breeders crossing a TB to a non-TB, then registering the foal as a TB. If this happened, it would have been more likely back in the pre-DNA days. Are Thoroughbreds DNA tested for registration these days?
Oh, there are certainly conspiracy theories about the parentage of Milkie and Glitter Please, the only two sources of all dilute TBs. None of their ancestors were known to be dilute in color, and with no photos or DNA testing we have no way of knowing if there were in fact the "secret buckskins" that color breeders claim somehow carried down the gene for hundreds of years without being detected. The rumors are that Milkie was actually a QH cross (probably 1/4 or 1/8) while GP was a Saddlebred cross; both of their female families are fairly obscure. I'll let you make up your own mind about that...

Another issue is that several color-bred horses (notably the stallion Goldmaker) have had their papers pulled by the JC after it was discovered that they were conceived via AI, so their offspring cannot be registered as full TB.
Milkie's female side is murkier, a lot more unraced mares... But Milkie himself was described as a light chestnut initially while looking at old ads and clippings of him from the 60s and 70s. If he could be registered as a chestnut why not other palominos before him? And I can definitely see how smokey blacks could pass as dark brown, heck I could even see how sooty buckskins could pass as dark bay or brown. As an aside the only ancestor I could find in common for these two stallions is Sir Gallahad. I'm too tired and a bit too lazy to see how he (or if either Milkie and Glitter Please) traces back to the Byerley Turk, but if the Byerley Turk was in fact an Akhal-Téké as is suspected by some historians rather than an Arabian as previously thought, it's not a stretch that he could've carried a dilute gene at the very foundation of the Thoroughbred breed.

After all this reading I'm not certain I buy the conspiracy theories.
Not to resurrect a dead conversation, but this really interests me.

I went back through Sir Gallahad’s pedigree, since he’s the only common ancestor of Milkie and Glitter Please, and some very interesting things came up.

Birdcatcher is present thrice in Sir Gallahad’s pedigree through his dam, Plucky Liege. Birdcatcher as we know is the namesake for “Birdcatcher spots”, which are the little white dots that can be found anywhere on a thoroughbred’s coat. Birdcatcher also appears once in the pedigree of his sire, Teddy.

Sir Gallahad also traces back to Bend Or, another horse who is known for and is the namesake of spots, through Teddy. Bend Or appears twice in Teddy’s pedigree.

The Alcock Arabian, one of the main ancestors to all gray thoroughbreds, appears on Sir Gallahad’s sire side, through Alcock’s best son Crab.

Sir Gallahad does in fact trace back to the Byerley Turk, through both his parents, along with Elcipse, the Darley Arabian, and the Godolphin Arabian. The main gang’s all here.

A stallion literally named “Bloody Buttocks” appears twice on his damside. You guessed it, he was named for having blood marks on his butt (or at least according to Pedigreequery).

I may have missed a couple inbreedings (probably did the father back I went) but in closing it looks like Sir Gallahad had quite a few spotty, weirdly colored ancestors.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:46 pm

Thanks for looking into that Mylute!
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:00 pm

Pictures of the loveliest boys getting ready for the Breeders' Cup!

Current and Talismanic

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpiB9-QhqFi ... _copy_link
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:09 pm

I'm very interested to check out an entrant in the upcoming 2nd at Churchill, a 6-furlong MSW on the dirt. Maya Solomea is by Risque Remarque out of an A.P. Indy mare. Will he look like his black and white sire?
ETA: Appears to be a plain bay. I'm a little disappointed. :P :lol:
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:14 pm

From the New Zealand 2yo Ready To Run sale a rare (registered) black thoroughbred
https://nzb.co.nz/sales/pedigree.cfm?sa ... 06&lot=227
Ask me any questions you have about New Zealand and Australia racing
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:37 am

Here's a video of Yukichan's 2017 filly by Novellist!

https://twitter.com/LongBallToNoOne/sta ... 76928?s=20
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:38 am

I found a picture of her on Twitter from July! This is from the Jess Samy account.

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American Soleil, 2-yr-old colt by Tapit out of Funny Feeling (Distorted Humor), racing in Japan for Katsumi Yoshizawa. He was 3rd on debut going 1400m on the turf.

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:38 pm

2017 filly by Gold Ship o/o Incognito (Gone West) looks like mom and is very flashy! Looks pretty big for her age, too.

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(Photos from Twitter)
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:27 pm

Those photos were from June, they were posted earlier in the thread. I'd love to see her now, see if she's greyed out any.
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:41 pm

Here's 2017 Peace and War (War Front), a filly by Tapit, currently in Japan.

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Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:31 pm

Pretty mare with some really unique, very lacey LP type markings:

https://www.facebook.com/FingerLakesFin ... 2224475051

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Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:10 pm

I really like her too; she's built pretty well and moves nice as well as the lacy pattern. Her sire Purge has some chrome too but I'd like to know where lace came from.
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:49 pm

Wowwwww if she was on the left coast I would be all over that. :mrgreen: Hope she goes to a great home who appreciates her!
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:22 am

So Barbara Livingston has raised an interesting question or mystery on twitter. Here's the skinny.

This is Scotch Bull. He was a MSW who stood in the New England area for a number of years. He's registered gray.

But the problem with that is neither parent is gray. The first gray to appear in his pedigree is in the fourth generation, and there's only one (Ethnarch, by The Tetrarch)

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Per Livingston, she said he "seems to have disappeared" and she doesn't have a photo of him in later life. He sired very few foals...and only one was gray.

Livingston says she mentioned it on a forum before (this one?) and someone said that a gray stallion stood alongside Scotch Bull's "sire" Steel Bull the time SB would've been conceived, Coldstream.

So...DNA test when? Lol.
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:54 pm

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Meet Face It, 2015 filly by Tapit - Catboat by Tale of the Cat. Catboat is the dam of It's Tricky. Face It had her first timed work at Saratoga on Sunday.

Video: https://twitter.com/godolphin/status/889945289041293313
Face It won today at Aqueduct!
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Mylute wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:54 pm
Sparrow Castle wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:50 pm
Meet Face It, 2015 filly by Tapit - Catboat by Tale of the Cat. Catboat is the dam of It's Tricky. Face It had her first timed work at Saratoga on Sunday.

Video: https://twitter.com/godolphin/status/889945289041293313
Face It won today at Aqueduct!
Two wins in a row now! Love how she turns her face to the camera for her win photo. She's adorable!

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She did it and she keeps rolling! Face It holds off a pretty deep field to win again @TheNYRA for @godolphin and @KPMRacingStable. So photogenic. The winner’s circle suits her.
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Kitasan Daisy (Violence x The Calypso Myth/Leroidesanimaux[BRZ]), 3 year old filly racing in Japan for Ono Shoji (who also owns/raced Kitasan Black). Two wins and two thirds in six starts so far...

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Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:08 am

Mylute wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:22 am
So Barbara Livingston has raised an interesting question or mystery on twitter. Here's the skinny.

This is Scotch Bull. He was a MSW who stood in the New England area for a number of years. He's registered gray.

But the problem with that is neither parent is gray. The first gray to appear in his pedigree is in the fourth generation, and there's only one (Ethnarch, by The Tetrarch)

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Per Livingston, she said he "seems to have disappeared" and she doesn't have a photo of him in later life. He sired very few foals...and only one was gray.

Livingston says she mentioned it on a forum before (this one?) and someone said that a gray stallion stood alongside Scotch Bull's "sire" Steel Bull the time SB would've been conceived, Coldstream.

So...DNA test when? Lol.
Either his sire isn't who its supposed to be or he is like Oxbow. I've seen some pics of him where I would have said the horse was a grey, if I didn't know better.
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Rabicano all the way, baby!! 8-) She's already G3 placed with a second in her first start, at Kyoto.
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Brenton Avdulla rides 2f BELLES SOEURS (Swept Overboard) in the huge G1 2YO 1600m Hanshin Juvenile Fillies on Sunday, Avdulla's first G1 ride on the big show.
Belles Soeurs (French Bikini/JPN x Swept Overboard JPN - End Sweep/USA) - damsire is Sunday Silence.

Another photo: http://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001215827/
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