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Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:29 pm

Ballerina wrote:
Treve wrote:
Ballerina wrote:Filling, from what I've read, can be a result of inactivity especially in a high functioning horse like Justify. It can also be the result of a deep seated injury or infection diagnosed by hi-tech imaging. It is not career ending or life threatening. I do believe Justify will run again. He just won't be coming to Saratoga. :-(
This is only true if the filling is there when you are taking the horse out of the stall. This type of swelling or filling will disappear within minutes of warming up the horse. (And why as Kurenai pointed out, it would be far more beneficial for the horses to be out and moving about even just hand grazing throughout the day than being cooped up in a stall) If what they say is accurate, the filling appeared AFTER his work outs which is why it is concerning (can be indicative of a limb that is not 100% and therefore handling the stress of working/being down poorly).
I also wrote it could be a result of injury. Jeez!
Absolutely! I was just pointing out why the first option was unlikely and why I highlighted that part instead of trimming it :) .
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:42 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Maybe Izvestia meant that Justify would be an undefeated TC winner if he retired right now, and never had a defeat on his record?
IIRC, Seattle Slew, who continued to race after the TC, did not retire undefeated.
THAT ^ is what I meant.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:36 am

Ballerina wrote: I also wrote it could be a result of injury. Jeez!
Actually nobody disagrees with you! :lol: I only thanked Treve cause she explained further. Great if the weight loss thing isn't true! And yes, I do hope that we get to see him race again. The timing is just really bad unfortunately.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that all (!) of this could have been prevented if he had some vacation. That was just regarding the weight loss and it's good that that didn't turn out to be true. With time off: If it's an undetected underlying problem, that problem would have still showed up once he resumed training.

I just wish they would have given him some time with lots of walking (no not the shed row). It does all kind of good things to a horse. Faster healing of pre existing minor injuries, strains from racing and generally all around, better blood flow, exercise without straining, better for the whole gastro tract, good for the mind etc. And yeah I know this is old school, but that's how horses are designed by nature. It's the way I learned and from my experience the results are great. And yes I know, it's unpractical in the routine of a racing stable and usually not done (especially if it's a big stable, there's just not enough people to do that).

It's - again from my experience with training race horses - just puzzling to me, why some trainers are not into that. 23 hours in a stall isn't good for a horse at all. I wish I could ask Baffert about this and his reasoning. Will never happen, so I continue to be puzzled by it. :lol:
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:56 am

Kurenai wrote:
Ballerina wrote: I also wrote it could be a result of injury. Jeez!
Actually nobody disagrees with you! :lol: I only thanked Treve cause she explained further. Great if the weight loss thing isn't true! And yes, I do hope that we get to see him race again. The timing is just really bad unfortunately.

"nobody disagrees with" me? That's a first. LOL!

I don't know what the heck is going on with Justy. It could be one great big PR game. Time will tell. I just can't believe he won't race again. Oh, and by the way Treve is a he. ;)
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:16 pm

I am a she...
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:22 pm

Ballerina wrote: Oh, and by the way Treve is a he. ;)
Why does it really matter on a forum about s/he?
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:37 pm

Treve wrote:I am a she...
Ok - Treve the horse is a she. Treve the poster is a he. It doesn't matter, Della. But I've had some conversations with Treve, and I always "assumed" Treve the poster to be a he.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:40 pm

Ballerina wrote:
Treve wrote:I am a she...
Ok - Treve the horse is a she. Treve the poster is a he. It doesn't matter, Della. But I've had some conversations with Treve, and I always "assumed" Treve the poster to be a he.
I think it's respectful of Ballerina to want to get my gender right, after all some people don't appreciate being referred to as the opposite sex (first time assumptions not withstanding)! Might not matter much to you Della, and maybe it doesn't matter much on a horse racing forum, although personally I think it's nice to get an idea of the demographic.
As a young woman I do find it encouraging when I see other women actively interested, engaged or working in the racing industry.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:51 pm

Treve wrote:
Ballerina wrote:
Treve wrote:I am a she...
Ok - Treve the horse is a she. Treve the poster is a he. It doesn't matter, Della. But I've had some conversations with Treve, and I always "assumed" Treve the poster to be a he.
I think it's respectful of Ballerina to want to get my gender right, after all some people don't appreciate being referred to as the opposite sex (first time assumptions not withstanding)! Might not matter much to you Della, and maybe it doesn't matter much on a horse racing forum, although personally I think it's nice to get an idea of the demographic.
As a young woman I do find it encouraging when I see other women actively interested, engaged or working in the racing industry.
Well, I am shocked that I never picked up on this. I don't have to know someone's name, but not knowing or guessing someone's gender can become bit disconcerting when in error - like now. :D
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:20 pm

Treve wrote:
Ballerina wrote:
Treve wrote:I am a she...
Ok - Treve the horse is a she. Treve the poster is a he. It doesn't matter, Della. But I've had some conversations with Treve, and I always "assumed" Treve the poster to be a he.
I think it's respectful of Ballerina to want to get my gender right, after all some people don't appreciate being referred to as the opposite sex (first time assumptions not withstanding)! Might not matter much to you Della, and maybe it doesn't matter much on a horse racing forum, although personally I think it's nice to get an idea of the demographic.
As a young woman I do find it encouraging when I see other women actively interested, engaged or working in the racing industry.
Treve, I did not mean to come across as dismissive of you, and I apologize for conveying that. Treve was/is one of my favorite racehorses - such heart - and I always enjoy your knowledgeable posts.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:49 pm

No harm no foul!
It can be hard to guess sometimes, probably doesn't help that I don't spend much time in the horsing around area! :D

To bring it back to the topic at hand, I hope Justify will run again but I imagine depending on what the issue is, if any, he might run his BCC prep (if that's still the end goal) on the west coast instead of going Haskell-Travers.
(Also thanks for the info about the weight Bal, not sure why Baffert was claiming he lost weight? Sometimes his 'lies' make sense sometimes they're just plain odd.)
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:19 pm

Treve wrote:No harm no foul!
It can be hard to guess sometimes, probably doesn't help that I don't spend much time in the horsing around area! :D

To bring it back to the topic at hand, I hope Justify will run again but I imagine depending on what the issue is, if any, he might run his BCC prep (if that's still the end goal) on the west coast instead of going Haskell-Travers.
(Also thanks for the info about the weight Bal, not sure why Baffert was claiming he lost weight? Sometimes his 'lies' make sense sometimes they're just plain odd.)
I wouldn't rule out that Justify will miss his BCC prep, but then runs in the BCC anyway. To win if it can be done easily, else using the BCC as a prep for the Pegasus.
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:42 pm

Isn't it possible that Justify did lose some weight right after the Belmont, but then put it right back on?
From things I've read, the big colt has an appetite like a Rose Bowl football team chowing down at Lawry's pre-game all-you-can-eat fest. :lol:
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Isn't it possible that Justify did lose some weight right after the Belmont, but then put it right back on?
From things I've read, the big colt has an appetite like a Rose Bowl football team chowing down at Lawry's pre-game all-you-can-eat fest. :lol:
Certainly, and it's also possible/probable that Bob relies on his eyes much of the time rather than an official weighing in ceremony.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Isn't it possible that Justify did lose some weight right after the Belmont, but then put it right back on?
From things I've read, the big colt has an appetite like a Rose Bowl football team chowing down at Lawry's pre-game all-you-can-eat fest. :lol:
It's quite possible that he lost weight after the Belmont. That was 5 weeks ago. I only posted the info to show that he no longer is suffering fro that problem. Are there other problems? Who knows.
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:23 pm

Ballerina wrote: Are there other problems? Who knows.
Bob and Elliott
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:48 pm

stark wrote:
Ballerina wrote: Are there other problems? Who knows.
Bob and Elliott
Ah, things were much simpler when it was Bob and Mike--and a whole lot more entertaining. ;) Now, ironically, things are just real quiet.
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stark wrote:
Ballerina wrote: Are there other problems? Who knows.
Bob and Elliott
I'm guessing it's more Kenny and Elliott, than Bob...

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Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:47 am

Doing the Smarty thing with Justify

Okay, so it’s more than a scratch. The reported filling in the left-front ankle of Triple Crown winner and Maxim cover boy Justify is a long way from his heart, but it is enough to tap the brakes on any excitement for possible heroics through the remainder of the year.

http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-doing-sm ... ng-justify
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Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:01 pm

Breeders’ Cup Classic 2018 odds: Justify off the board

"In the most recent update of 2018 Breeders’ Cup Classic odds from the Wynn Las Vegas, Triple Crown winner Justify has been removed from the board."

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/ ... _board_123

Wonder what this is all about? Just a precaution?
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