JC launches searchable database of regulatory actions against trainers

[second_glance]

http://thoroughbredrulings.com/iagree.asp

Only covers period of Jan. 1, 2005 to present.

[Catalina]

To 2005 sounds more than reasonable.

[serenassong]

I find this very interesting.

[stark]

L'il help.....why do I need this and what should I do with the information?

[Thinair]

L'il help.....why do I need this and what should I do with the information?

I don't know for sure, but wouldn't one reason be so that prospective owners, or even current owners, can research a trainer's history if they are thinking of using him ( or her ) to train their horses?

[Somnambulist]

I don't know for sure, but wouldn't one reason be so that prospective owners, or even current owners, can research a trainer's history if they are thinking of using him ( or her ) to train their horses?

Maybe now people can be accurate when reporting these sort of things, too. I personally find information like this a little more tricky to find.

[Thinair]

Maybe now people can be accurate when reporting these sort of things, too. I personally find information like this a little more tricky to find.

Agreed.

However, that will also require reporters to use it.

[second_glance]

I don't know for sure, but wouldn't one reason be so that prospective owners, or even current owners, can research a trainer's history if they are thinking of using him ( or her ) to train their horses?

Yep. Plus, jurisdictions in which a trainer is seeking a license for the first time will have a database to check fairly quickly

[Miss Woodford]

I have to say, some of these rulings are amusing.
"Bringing the wrong horse to the paddock"
"Refusing to allow his horse to be taken off the racetrack after it was scratched by the State Veterinarian"
"Failing to have his horse tattooed"
"Authorizing a workout while the horse ambulance was on the race track"
"Use of profane, abusive, insulting language to a member of the commission staff or a racing official"
"Issuing worthless checks to the Pennslyvania State Horseracing Commission"
"Being obnoxious"
"found to exceed 10.0 micrograms of phenylbutazone per millileter"


Also the ruling for Patrick Biancone on June 22, 2007 is...interesting.

[GinTalking]

I have to say, some of these rulings are amusing.
"Bringing the wrong horse to the paddock"
"Refusing to allow his horse to be taken off the racetrack after it was scratched by the State Veterinarian"
"Failing to have his horse tattooed"
"Authorizing a workout while the horse ambulance was on the race track"
"Use of profane, abusive, insulting language to a member of the commission staff or a racing official"
"Issuing worthless checks to the Pennslyvania State Horseracing Commission"
"Being obnoxious"
"found to exceed 10.0 micrograms of phenylbutazone per millileter"


Also the ruling for Patrick Biancone on June 22, 2007 is...interesting.

There have been those kinds of rulings for as long as I can remember. There are fines "for smoking in the shed row", "entering the wrong horse", "not having papers in the office", and the one where someone has gone to the stewards because they owe them money so until the debt is paid, they can't enter a horse.

This info has been available on that other site .. what is it .. ARCI or RCI or something like that. I was just looking at that site a week or so ago. But that includes all racing, I think.

[Pronzini]

I assume if an active trainer is not listed that it means there are no positives or rulings in the timeframe?

[Pronzini]

L'il help.....why do I need this and what should I do with the information?

You might care if you are looking at trainers for your horses. Lots of tacky fines may mean nothing or it may be a window into serious disorganization.

[GinTalking]

Here's another one, but this isn't the one I was looking at recently ... which was much easier to read.

https://www.arci-members.com/publicp...licrulings.asp

[Insane Crazy]

"Being obnoxious"

Oooooh boy. I can think of a few who could have gotten this...any more details?

[Miss Woodford]

Oooooh boy. I can think of a few who could have gotten this...any more details?

Juan Carlos Guerrero. Specifically, it was "being obnoxious (altercation)".

The trainer who used profane, insulting, abusive language with a racing official was a one Stephen A. Asmussen. It was at Churchill Downs the Thursday morning before the 2008 Kentucky Derby...

[WaquoitNBroadBrush]

There have been those kinds of rulings for as long as I can remember. There are fines "for smoking in the shed row", "entering the wrong horse", "not having papers in the office", and the one where someone has gone to the stewards because they owe them money so until the debt is paid, they can't enter a horse.

This info used to run in the Daily Racing Form under "Official Rulings," and jockeys, exercise riders, grooms, hot walkers and anyone else working on the backside used to be included -- complete with date of birth and Social Security numbers! Ah, those innocent pre-Internet, pre-identity theft days!

[GinTalking]

This info used to run in the Daily Racing Form under "Official Rulings," and jockeys, exercise riders, grooms, hot walkers and anyone else working on the backside used to be included -- complete with date of birth and Social Security numbers! Ah, those innocent pre-Internet, pre-identity theft days!

I remember that. That was a long time ago. A different time. That's for sure.

[daisy]

Not so long ago. I remember rulings being printed in the mid-90s. No SSN or DOBs, though.

A trainer friend of mine has a framed copy of his listing for "conduct unbecoming in the winners' circle." Have never quite gotten the guts to ask what all THAT was about.

[Horse's Rear]

Juan Carlos Guerrero. Specifically, it was "being obnoxious (altercation)".

Shades of Larry Jones.

The trainer who used profane, insulting, abusive language with a racing official was a one Stephen A. Asmussen. It was at Churchill Downs the Thursday morning before the 2008 Kentucky Derby...

In the old days, one would say "shame on Steve." Under current management, you kind of have to tip your hat to him.

[serenassong]

I have to say, some of these rulings are amusing.
"Bringing the wrong horse to the paddock"
"Refusing to allow his horse to be taken off the racetrack after it was scratched by the State Veterinarian"
"Failing to have his horse tattooed"
"Authorizing a workout while the horse ambulance was on the race track"
"Use of profane, abusive, insulting language to a member of the commission staff or a racing official"
"Issuing worthless checks to the Pennslyvania State Horseracing Commission"
"Being obnoxious"
"found to exceed 10.0 micrograms of phenylbutazone per millileter"


Also the ruling for Patrick Biancone on June 22, 2007 is...interesting.

Found one that was for a parking violation, apparently not in the trainer's "approved" site, he/she was fined a bank busting $10.