It's sad that the horse died, it really is.But accidents like this happen all the time in real life and we never hear about it.And i'll take what PETA says with a grain of salt...I Saw the documentary "I Am An Animal" about PETA's founder and she's the head crackpot there, thinks that we humans don't even deserve to have animals as pets let alone ride horses...she thinks animals should all be free to run with the wind and that humans shouldn't be allowed near them....
I don't watch the show. I don't care about the show. But I am wondering what is going on in that photo?Originally Posted by second_glance
Was it part of the show? It's clearly doesn't have anything to do with a horse walking back to its barn, rearing and flipping over.
Looks like something might have happened to a "five horse", but why is an outrider climbing over the horse and grabbing him/her ... because it appears as if he's trying to get the horse's head up, not make sure the horse stays down. I didn't see anywhere where the photo is explained. Typical news media ... by all means, let's show something out of context so the world will go nuts over it and not even know why.
As far as PETA goes, they're an animal's worst enemy. Why would anyone want to call them? We are all probably more humane than they are.
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I don't know if we're looking at the same photo but when I clicked on the link in this thread the photo was Eight Belles.
Oh Lordy ... I didn't realize that. That incident never entered my mind having never seen any photos of that accident. And I do think that was an accident. A horrible one obviously, but also something that is very rare.
Well then, that reinforces my comment ... take something that is totally unrelated and use it to stir the pot. That's hardly representative of a horse being led back to a barn and flips requiring euthanasia.
It really is amazing the number of things horses do to themselves that has absolutely nothing to do with human beings. They can run "free" in a field and slip and fall, run into a fence or a tree, be hit by lightning, impale themselves on a fallen branch, box with a pasture mate and fall over, stick their feet somewhere they shouldn't be .... oh so many things. They are their own worst enemy, aren't they.
My aunt had a horse who, on Christmas day, was on a treadmill that had maybe a foot of space between the treadmill and the wall. A perfectly sane, quiet horse decided that morning that he was going to get a little rambunctious and somehow he got his right front over the rail on the wall side of the treadmill and he somehow ended up completely over the side, 100% wedged between the treadmill and the wall.
It happened in a flash. He laid there. The vet came from about 5 miles away and they prepared to try to pull the treadmill away from the horse (who was a great big fella btw). The horse remained calm, but they sedated him just enough so that when he was freed, he wouldn't do damage to himself.
They hooked the tractor up to the treadmill, pull it away from the wall, managed to coax the horse to his feet .... and he walked out of that mess completely unscathed. And he was a stakes horse too. You know what they say ... if a horse survives something like that, they aren't any good. Well, he was classy enough to know he was in trouble and he remained calm which probably saved his life.
You would.....what a jackass.
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omg-What a jerk
Since they routinely substitute geldings for mares with their sheath in plain sight and horses with completely different markings why can't they just piece together parts of real races and dub in the actors faces for the close ups? I don't necessarily think this third death should count as it was an accident that could happen to anyone but don't understand why the horses have to be used to film racing scenes.
Hard to say, as yes, they can flip anytime and kill themselves, but implication here could be that the handlers might not be the best horsemen. Which I would guess to be the case, truthfully, because the best groom, hotwalkers, etc. are working for real trainers that make a living, not for a guy that plays trainer for Luck stable. And all shows look for ways to cut corners, even with big budgets. Which doesn't mean this might not have happened anyway. They should hire D. Wayne. He must have some time free these days. He can show them how to lead horses with two peeps.
Actually the AHA is responsible for this, they don't allow the grooms to use chains because it's cruel, ( I love how people that don't handle horses decide what's cruel) and this horse was acting up on the street, as any REAL horse handler would tell you , THIS is why they use lip chains, hell I NEVER lead my show horses at the show grounds without a stud chain, this mare would most likely be alive today if they had been allowed to use a lip chain, like they do on the actual racehorses, which they are trying so hard to emulate!
They don't allow chains? If a thoroughbred is really acting up and going nuts, it is so much harder to get it under control again without at least a bridle. Although in that case, with rearing horses, yanking the chain can lead to even worse results (horse loosing balance) so you should always give the horse space wait at the shoulder and then grab it again when the feet touch the ground again. Yanking on the halter/chain/whatever could lead to some bad results in that case.
Anyway, this was a freak accident. Horses tend to happen to have those unfortunately and everyone who is/was around them on a daily basis knows that. You can't compare them to dogs or cats. Suspending filming with horses because of a freak accident doesn't make sense to me, but I guess this is what the public demands, or the outcry would probably lead to a cancellation of the show.
In a 60 horse stable, over the course of a year you always have some of those accidents, luckily not all end bad. There's nothing you can do against it either. Heck we had a derby winner (best horse in the whole country at this time) in our stable, who was rolling in his stall, wanted to get up and banged his head against the wall so severe, all you could do was to euthanize him. Horrifying experience but this is what happens with horses unfortunately.
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I think it is a huge misconception that entertainment industry wranglers and trainers are "less" than those found on the racetrack. I know for a fact that most trainers working in entertainment are accomplished horse people who place great value on their stock.
But it is just like the race track -- all kinds exist. I do know that at one point last summer the Teamsters were ticked that "Luck's" producers hired non-union horse wranglers. Thoroughbred trainer Matt Chew (from Santa Anita?) is supposed to be the trainer for the "Luck" horses. Does anyone know anything about him?
Except they were not allowed to use a lip chain, if they could have, this mare most likely would be alive, so yeah, the person making the decision to not allow a lip chain on this horse doesn't know what the hell they are doing, this wasn't a childs dead broke pony, it was a high energy, fractious TB dancing around on cement.
It's obviously costing a lot of money to suspend production and will only bring bad publicity, so hats off to them for deciding the welfare of the horses they were using was worth more.
They are only suspending filming involving horses.
First rule: Try always to do what's right for the horse. The people part will work out. -- Josh Pons, Merryland, 2007
I think that is a AHA rule.
Lip chains are generally considered cruel by most disciplines outside of racing. Myself, I think lip chains are fine for horses who need it, in the hands of experienced handlers.
Look at the dumb opinions people make in the Comments section:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/14/showbi...tml?hpt=hp_bn4
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On no, they are better than most racetrackers. But that is not who is in charge of the luck horses. Chew is.
And if AHA is in charge of telling Chew whether he can have a chain on a horse that isn't shooting a scene, that is just beyond effed up, and PETA needs to turn on them.
Although, on chains, especially used as a lip chain, in the wrong hands, it is more dangerous, and you don't yank one on a horse going up unless you want to be sure he flips. But it certainly can help keep one on the ground. David O'Connor doesn't allow them in his barn, either, as far as I know, so many schools of thought on them.
After the second death, PETA slammed HBO with "Perhaps if producers had considered the proved safety protocols that we would have suggested, these horses would still be alive." This doesn't seem to hold for the latest fatal incident, and I'm sort of stuck on the now ironic name of the show.
I wish PETA would just butt the hell out of the whole thing, like they really give a rats's *** about animal welfare and safety, if they did, the HUNDREDS of dogs they took in and killed and dumped in trash bins would be alive, too bad those dogs didn't end up with a REAL Rescue, not political minded terrorists.
if im not mistaken the photo was of eight belles, which made my stomach churn.
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