If there was any extra reason to run in the Haskell, WV Derby, Super Derby or PA Derby, this might do it.
In an interview Thursday, state Racing and Wagering Board Chairman John Sabini said the board was looking at putting a detention barn for horses at Saratoga Race Course for some races like it did for the Belmont Stakes.
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...#ixzz1xoJz541t
According to Jennie Rees, Larry Jones said this morning that he is not stabling any horses in NY this summer, but will ship in to the Spa. And he cited the Belmont detention barn fiasco, apparently in particular Oat-gate.
First rule: Try always to do what's right for the horse. The people part will work out. -- Josh Pons, Merryland, 2007
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You'd think they would've learned a lesson with the detention barn fiasco at Belmont..guess not
Remind me when he has stabled horses in NY.Originally Posted by second_glance
Maybe the Saratoga Harness Track could jump in and offer up their stall space?
Aren't stalls rented from there every year?
Thanks.
I didn't read Jennie's article, but I am having trouble following the logic. I am sure I am missing something.
You can't have it both ways. Detention barns are a step in the right direction. It has to be handled better than it was during the Belmont, but it is serving notice to the chemists that people are going to be watching......
Everyone come home sound
Larry Jones has assured us that to his knowledge Stones River has never received Clenbuterol any closer to race time than 96 hours. That he has suddenly tested high more likely reflects the need for more security around track backsides and testing barns.”
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So she had gotten Bute, but only outside of 96 hours? Why should Larry Jone's excuses be any different than those of all the others who got caught.
We know some drugs get used for the horse's benefit and to speed up recovery times. Let's come up with something a little more practical and stop this nonsense.
Everyone come home sound
The fight is against race-day medication. No one is proposing horses shouldn't ever be administered medication. I put the quote up because if Jones, who by the way is one of my favorite trainers, is going to opine about the security barn, let's look at what opinions his or his associates have had in the past in regards to barn security. I'm not even saying both opinions aren't tenable, but I'd rather he be more specific in his opinion and not just refuse to race his horses there due to an up in a measure he has in the past bemoaned the lack of. The sport needs everyone to pitch in to fight this problem.
Well, to be fair, I don't think any of the complaining trainers at BEL were opposed to more security per se, although most trainers don't care for a detention barn. They were more ticked off by the lack of notice and that it constituted something close to a lockdown.
There has to be a way to do this without treating everyone who approaches the barn as a possible "criminal."
First rule: Try always to do what's right for the horse. The people part will work out. -- Josh Pons, Merryland, 2007
Agreed! And without imposing undue stress on the horses.
The Obama admin mantra -
The 1st 4 years - "It's Bush's fault."
The next 4 years - "I don't know nuthin'."
Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans - Betty Talmadge
But they're all a bunch of criminals.
I kid.
This is complicated stuff. The NYRA was charged with having been too cozy with trainers for too long, allowing the system to corrupt and the welfare of horses and reputation of the sport to degrade. And Jones has been the victim (or claims to be) of lax security. I don't think this "transition" to a more closely monitored game is going to be perfect or easy, and I'd rather Jones not be publicly critical of a system he has yet to even try.
I'll agree with that. He was really cranky yesterday: also told Rees that he and Cindy won't be buying any horses from breeders that support the Lasix raceday ban.But they're all a bunch of criminals.
I kid.
This is complicated stuff. The NYRA was charged with having been too cozy with trainers for too long, allowing the system to corrupt and the welfare of horses and reputation of the sport to degrade. And Jones has been the victim (or claims to be) of lax security. I don't think this "transition" to a more closely monitored game is going to be perfect or easy, and I'd rather Jones not be publicly critical of a system he has yet to even try.
First rule: Try always to do what's right for the horse. The people part will work out. -- Josh Pons, Merryland, 2007
The thing is that you are going to lose a lot of the day to day interaction by fans except beyond the safety of the rail. Maybe that's the way it has to be in some people's minds but there will be a loss of the charming side of the sport. Just try to get into some team's practice sometime as "just a fan".
Secondly, the trainers etc are actually under the watchful eyes of each other. It's a zero sum game and these races actually mean something to every owner and trainer in them. This is sometimes taken to comic proportions when years ago one California trainer purportedly drilled peepholes so he could look into the operation of another rival trainer.
But most importantly either the post race testing works or it doesn't. Frankly as a participant, I wouldn't want a detention barn but I could support more testing (pre and post race).
Yeah, given the opportunity where gambling is involved, they all have the opportunity to eventually become a bunch of crooks.But they're all a bunch of criminals.
I kid.
This is complicated stuff. The NYRA was charged with having been too cozy with trainers for too long, allowing the system to corrupt and the welfare of horses and reputation of the sport to degrade. And Jones has been the victim (or claims to be) of lax security. I don't think this "transition" to a more closely monitored game is going to be perfect or easy, and I'd rather Jones not be publicly critical of a system he has yet to even try.
But, on to other things about the "Detention Barn". Why on Belmont Day was the detention barn JUST for the Belmont stakes horses?
Seems to me the idea was pretty knee-jerk. Not well thought out.
Have a detention barn - but what's good for one is good for all, or random rather than selective.
The Obama admin mantra -
The 1st 4 years - "It's Bush's fault."
The next 4 years - "I don't know nuthin'."
Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans - Betty Talmadge
Most horses handle the detention barn just fine, a few totally come undone by it. For better or for worse, it's a lot harder for your vet to walk into a detention barn with security in place and give your horse prerace injections. It's a lot more risky for a trainer who does his own prerace shots to do it publicly in the detention barn.
It would seem if keeping the game cleaner is your goal that the detention barn has a place in that goal.
If we are going back to the hay, oats, water era, then we should bring back the detention barn. Trainers and horses will adjust.
Dr. Greg Fox, now a trainer in KY was "caught" at Saratoga giving his client Pat Byrne's horse a "vitamin cocktail". He said it was a case of mistaken identity and he just happened to treat the wrong horse who happened to be racing that day.
If the horse had been in a detention barn, it never would have happened.
Like I said on the Belmont thread, I have no problem whatsoever with a detention barn. I do have a problem with them making a shipper move to a different barn after they arrive however. They should only have to settle in once before a race.
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