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    BC 20-20 results

    For years now I have used statistical profiles as a way to handicap the Breeders' Cup. I've called this project the 20-20.

    Profiling horses for specific races is not always effective and the main reason is because in any given race nearly all of the horses are entered with different goals. Some are coming back from a layoff. Some are at the end of their form cycle. Some are being raised in class, others dropped in class. A specific race may have been the target of a particular horse while another might be using it as a prep. With so many different types of intentions from the connections it is impossible to build a successful profile. However the Breeders Cup doesn’t have those same variables. All horses who enter it are pointed specifically for it. No one uses it as a prep and it is almost never an after thought. Everyone comes up to the race in the manner that they feel gives them the best chance for success. Consequently we are able to identify and isolate those patterns and combine them into a profile.

    None of the factors included are jinx or myth. There is no quantifiable reason why a certain horse would not be able to win a Breeders Cup race simply because he won a certain “jinxed” prep race, or because his name starts with a certain letter. Every single factor must be aimed at identifying six key ingredients to winning: Speed, Fitness, Current Form, Class, Experience and Suitability to the conditions.

    The factors for each Breeders Cup race are unique to that race. As you might expect one requires different qualifications from a possible Breeders Cup Turf winner than one would a Juvenile winner. However some of the factors do overlap.

    Most handicappers will tell you that value is the only way to have long term success. But the Profile of a Winner does not seek to identify value. It seeks to identify the winner. Having the winner in every race is actually your best chance for success. The trick is getting the winner. Most people consider a 30% win rate to be good, at that percentage one still needs to aid of value to be profitable, however this system identifies winners are more than twice that percentage. The starting price has nothing to do with the winners profiles because you don’t need to look for value when you are successful that often.

    Anyway I have run through the PP's and come up with the horses that fit the profiles for their respective BC races this year and they are listed below.

    Juvenile Fillies
    Tell a Kelly
    Theyskens' Theory

    FM Turf
    Midday
    Hot Cha Cha

    Ladies Classic
    Havre de Grace
    Malibu Prayer
    Life At Ten

    Sprint
    Big Drama
    Girolamo
    Atta Boy Roy

    Mile
    Goldikova
    Proviso

    Juvenile
    Uncle Mo

    Turf
    Workforce
    Behkabad

    Classic
    Zenyatta
    Quality Road
    Haynesfield

    18 horses from 8 races as there are no profiles available for any of the new BC races. It will be interesting to see how they do this year.

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    Re: BC 20-20 results

    good job!

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    peeptoad
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    Thanks for posting Kennedy... I always like reviewing the 20-20.

    Are the horses listed the "perfect qualifiers" only? (i.e. no "red boxes"?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeptoad View Post
    Thanks for posting Kennedy... I always like reviewing the 20-20.

    Are the horses listed the "perfect qualifiers" only? (i.e. no "red boxes"?)

    Yeah, just the perfect qualifiers.

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    peeptoad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    Yeah, just the perfect qualifiers.
    Thanks. Good to see that Proviso qualifies... I'm going to use her and I think she's one of the few who may actually be able to beat Goldi. All reports say she's training like gangbusters too.

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    MonmouthGuy
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    thanks. i always enjoy reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    Juvenile Fillies
    Tell a Kelly - 6th
    Theyskens' Theory - 7th

    FM Turf
    Midday - 2nd $3.20 $2.20
    Hot Cha Cha - 5th

    Ladies Classic
    Havre de Grace - 3rd $4.00
    Malibu Prayer - 10th
    Life At Ten - DNF

    Sprint
    Big Drama - 1st $12.40 $7.00 $5.00
    Girolamo - 11th
    Atta Boy Roy - 10th

    Mile
    Goldikova - 1st $4.60 $3.20 $2.40
    Proviso - 7th

    Juvenile
    Uncle Mo - 1st $4.80 $3.40 $2.60

    Turf
    Workforce - scratched
    Behkabad - 3rd $2.40

    Classic
    Zenyatta - 2nd $3.60 $2.80
    Quality Road - 12th
    Haynesfield - 11th
    17-3-2-2 -$12.20 (-35.88%)

    It wound up being the worst Breeders' Cup on record for the 20-20. Just 3 winners from 17 qualifiers in 8 races. The only other negative year was in 2008 where it was just -$2.20. Overall it still shows a 127% profitability but it is a worrying trend that it has now lost money twice in the last 3 years after having always been positive since 1996.

    Awesome Feather, Dangerous Midge and Blame all had just one statistical category against them. Unrivaled Belle had two against her and Shared Account had 3.
    Last edited by Kennedy; 11-09-2010 at 09:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    17-3-2-2 -$12.20 (-35.88%)

    It wound up being the worst Breeders' Cup on record for the 20-20. Just 3 winners from 17 qualifiers in 8 races. The only other negative year was in 2006 where it was just -$2.20. Overall it still shows a 127% profitability but it is a worrying trend that it has now lost money twice in the last 3 years after having always been positive since 1996.

    Awesome Feather, Dangerous Midge and Blame all had just one statistical category against them. Unrivaled Belle had two against her and Shared Account had 3.
    You had bad luck in two races. Who knows how well Life at Ten would have done, it definitely would have been a different race with her in there, she might have won or possibly helped Blind Luck's chances. The other bad luck could have really hurt you because he was a nice price, but is more of a question mark. That was Atta Boy Roy. I loved his chances, he was poised at the top of the stretch and I think would have been first or second. He bumped the horse to his inside and started to fall back after that. I still haven't heard if he had a cut or slight injury of some kind. But he was never the same after that bump. Tell a Kelly was a bit of bad luck too as she looked a very good play until she arrived in CD and didn't like the track.

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    Might not be enough data, but how far back can you go with your 20-20? I'd be interested in seeing if there is any type of race the 20-20 is better at predicting, e.g. turf vs. dirt, route vs. sprint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravano View Post
    Might not be enough data, but how far back can you go with your 20-20? I'd be interested in seeing if there is any type of race the 20-20 is better at predicting, e.g. turf vs. dirt, route vs. sprint.
    I have complete data from 1996 to the present and partial data for 84', 85', 94' and 95'.

    Using just the complete data I have 117 BC races on record. There were only perfect qualifiers in 114 of those races. Overall the perfect qualifiers have won 85 (74%) of those events and a $2 win wager on all 277 qualifiers would have made you 127.62% ROI.

    As I mentioned prior there has only been two BC's where wagering equal amounts on the perfect qualifiers would have lost you money (2008 and 2010)

    The least profitable race is the Juvenile Fillies. The profit margin is just 23% although it has still come up with the winner 11 out of 15 times (73%).

    The Turf and the Sprint have the worst winning percentage at 10 for 15 (66%).

    The most profitable race is the Mile with a 274% ROI and the most accurate races are the Mile, Juvenile with 13 winners from 15 runnings (86%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Converse View Post
    You had bad luck in two races. Who knows how well Life at Ten would have done, it definitely would have been a different race with her in there, she might have won or possibly helped Blind Luck's chances. The other bad luck could have really hurt you because he was a nice price, but is more of a question mark. That was Atta Boy Roy. I loved his chances, he was poised at the top of the stretch and I think would have been first or second. He bumped the horse to his inside and started to fall back after that. I still haven't heard if he had a cut or slight injury of some kind. But he was never the same after that bump. Tell a Kelly was a bit of bad luck too as she looked a very good play until she arrived in CD and didn't like the track.
    As per the vet later: “He has sustained a mild injury of the medial branch of the suspensory ligament.” A good bump very likely could have contributed to or caused that.
    First rule: Try always to do what's right for the horse. The people part will work out. -- Josh Pons, Merryland, 2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by second_glance View Post
    As per the vet later: “He has sustained a mild injury of the medial branch of the suspensory ligament.” A good bump very likely could have contributed to or caused that.
    Thanks, I hadn't heard but suspected he had some slight injury because he was looking very good until that bump.

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    Can also explain why he pulled up funny, then looked fine. Sometimes this soft tissue injuries don't cause a really noticeable lameness always, and even sometimes very little swelling and can be hard to detect until they get worse. It is good that Calvin felt something and alerted them to look for something.

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    peeptoad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    17-3-2-2 -$12.20 (-35.88%)
    The only other negative year was in 2006 where it was just -$2.20.
    Interestingly (or maybe not), that year was also at Churchill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeptoad View Post
    Interestingly (or maybe not), that year was also at Churchill...
    It was a mistype, the losing year was in 2008 at Santa Anita.

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    Well now we know why you're such a fan of the mile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravano View Post
    Well now we know why you're such a fan of the mile.

    Cart before the horse. I loved the Mile the before the 20-20. I just think it's an exciting race and the perfect blend of speed and stamina. It's not a race for sprinters but they are really flying most of the way around. You see great acceleration often nifty moves and a ton of wonderful finishes. The BC Mile rocks!

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    peeptoad
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    Re: BC 20-20 results

    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    It was a mistype, the losing year was in 2008 at Santa Anita.
    Ah... well, you can blame that on the synthetic then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeptoad View Post
    Ah... well, you can blame that on the synthetic then.
    And I can almost blame this one on Blame

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