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    Riders who really make a difference

    few these days outside of Ramon.....best at it was Laffit

    There are some specific cases where a rider helps a single horse in a single situation, but watching Dominguez do it all the time is amazing......Lost art these days

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    I will give you that one yes

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    Alan Garcia continues to make a difference.

    If he is riding, keep your $2 in your pocket. Couldn't win a walkover the way he is riding lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonmouthGuy View Post
    Alan Garcia continues to make a difference.

    If he is riding, keep your $2 in your pocket. Couldn't win a walkover the way he is riding lately.
    back in the 60's the same thing occurred with Bob Ussery...They invented the "Ussery off" angle that proved profitable all season

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilzal View Post
    few these days outside of Ramon.....best at it was Laffit

    There are some specific cases where a rider helps a single horse in a single situation, but watching Dominguez do it all the time is amazing......Lost art these days
    Castellano is winning more ...on longshots too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 85wooley View Post
    Castellano is winning more ...on longshots too.
    marginal

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    Patrick Valenzuela

    Not only could he get a horse out of the gate like none other, in his heyday he could change the whole complexion of a race, if you were a handicapper you'd be silly to ignore what he was capable of doing, yes he made a difference.

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    Patrick Valenzuela

    Not only could he get a horse out of the gate like none other, in his heyday he could change the whole complexion of a race, if you were a handicapper you'd be silly to ignore what he was capable of doing, yes he made a difference.
    sprinting often but he has become too irregular of late to continue to make a long term difference like the other riders mentioned here.

    That entire family has significant substance abuse problems

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    sprinting often but he has become too irregular of late to continue to make a long term difference like the other riders mentioned here.

    That entire family has significant substance abuse problems
    A: I thought we were talking about careers not just last week.

    B: Why do you find it necessary to bring up an entire family of substance abuse when you started a thread about riders who made a difference on horseback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilzal View Post
    back in the 60's the same thing occurred with Bob Ussery...They invented the "Ussery off" angle that proved profitable all season
    Thanks for the history lesson. "Garcia off" certainly was a good angle at Saratoga. I am going to start using that line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilzal View Post
    few these days outside of Ramon.....best at it was Laffit

    There are some specific cases where a rider helps a single horse in a single situation, but watching Dominguez do it all the time is amazing......Lost art these days
    Do you think Ramon will ever catch a guy like Patrick Valenzuela in Breeders Cup victories?

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    Re: Riders who really make a difference

    Quote Originally Posted by stark View Post
    A: I thought we were talking about careers not just last week.

    B: Why do you find it necessary to bring up an entire family of substance abuse when you started a thread about riders who made a difference on horseback?
    Before we would back Milo we would make sure we looked at his eyes to find out how much partying he had done along Prairie Avenue near Hollywood Park.......We were usually warned off. Here was a guy who had been regular rider of Kelso who drank himself to nothingness.

    Patrick come along and destroys a good career...It is hard to believe he received so many second chances...In any other career he would have bee ruled off for life

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    Re: Riders who really make a difference

    Quote Originally Posted by stark View Post
    Do you think Ramon will ever catch a guy like Patrick Valenzuela in Breeders Cup victories?
    I have no idea....that is a function of his agent and nothing more

    Pure grit and determination catapulted Laffit to many an early win on horses that shouldn't have. His rides on Tasso and Is It True were classics willing the horse to the line and in the latter case reading the track going out in the third lane realizing that the rail was dead as a doornail that day at Churchill.

    It is that kind of savvy and thinking outside the norm that put these riders into a class by themselves. Having seen Russel Baze a number of times, I have often wondered why he never went big time with his skills.
    Last edited by zilzal; 09-20-2011 at 08:15 AM.

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    Chris McCarron

    I'm sure there are some bad memories some people have of his rides, but the thing I remember most was that he never seemed to get in trouble, blocked down inside or swung outside by raceriding. Turning for home he always seemed to get his horse in a position to win, and if the horse was good enough.....win they did, over 7,000 times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilzal View Post
    Before we would back Milo we would make sure we looked at his eyes to find out how much partying he had done along Prairie Avenue near Hollywood Park.......We were usually warned off. Here was a guy who had been regular rider of Kelso who drank himself to nothingness.

    Patrick come along and destroys a good career...It is hard to believe he received so many second chances...In any other career he would have bee ruled off for life
    Did you look into Jerry Bailey's eyes too? After all, he wrote a book documenting being drunk on horseback?

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    Re: Riders who really make a difference

    Quote Originally Posted by stark View Post
    Chris McCarron

    I'm sure there are some bad memories some people have of his rides, but the thing I remember most was that he never seemed to get in trouble, blocked down inside or swung outside by race riding. Turning for home he always seemed to get his horse in a position to win, and if the horse was good enough.....win they did, over 7,000 times!
    True LOOK NO FURTHER than the Belmont on Alysheba...Sitting behind the winner and outflanked by Cryptoclearance he got boxed in and had to take back right about the time Lafitt let the latter go.....He missed his chance to accelerate and Bet Twice was gone and cooled out

    Did see him in a funny one where he got his whip wrapped up in the tail of the horse to his right and had to drop it late in the race.

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    Re: Riders who really make a difference

    In a stakes race give me Gomez, 12 Breeders Cup wins in 6 years, no one I rather have on my stakes horse.

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    Re: Riders who really make a difference

    Quote Originally Posted by RHIOT View Post
    In a stakes race give me Gomez, 12 Breeders Cup wins in 6 years, no one I rather have on my stakes horse.
    but he has been ON the best or near best in just about all those wins.

    Laffit used to make third tiered horses first at the wire....Ramon often does the same.

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