[quote author=Ruffian75 link=topic=35061.msg970683#msg970683 date=1276619747]
Call me crazy, but why would they run her in a 1 1/16-mile race at a track she doesn't like? The Delaware Handicap, Personal Ensign and a couple others are out there. The DelCap is a $750K race and it is 1 1/4-miles. I am just going to keep plugging it until they rule it out. The DelCap seems like ti should be such a natural next start.
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What type of surface is at Delaware?
[quote author=EquineAnne link=topic=35061.msg970691#msg970691 date=1276620201]
What type of surface is at Delaware?
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Dirt and supposed to be quirky in that horses like it or they really don't. I have never seen the upside of wasting or risking a ship for this Gr. 2, and apparently after seeing whatever he saw upon her return from OP, neither does JS.
It is a quirky surface ... and it can be hotter'n hell ... but California runners have done well at Delaware, in the Oaks and DelCap.
[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg970694#msg970694 date=1276620364]
I have never seen the upside of wasting or risking a ship for this Gr. 2, and apparently after seeing whatever he saw upon her return from OP, neither does JS.
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really?? You were the one who told me somewhere in the previous 250 pages that you thought this was the race they would or should go to. You even told me that DEL wouldn't "weight her out". Oh wait, that was Hermes Redux... never mind.
[quote author=ManOTaz link=topic=35061.msg970680#msg970680 date=1276619487]
Remember the Clement Hirsch is 8.5 furlongs. And perhaps she gets 129 again.Or dare I say it, 130.
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okay, for one final time, this race is no longer a handicap. Del Mar changed it last year and I think we all know what inspired them to do so.
actually it was in the Zenyatta won't challenge Rail Trip thread.
[quote author=Hermes Redux link=topic=43045.msg948002#msg948002 date=1273694878]
Now everyone all together now, what is the race she goes in after the Vanity in July, if not the Gold Cup?
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[quote author=Hermes Redux link=topic=43045.msg948066#msg948066 date=1273699686]
weatherbird wrote:
non age-restricted Grade 1 races going 2 turns on the main track from Independence Day to Labor Day:
July 10 Hollywood Gold Cup
August 1 Ruffian Handicap (F/M)
August 7 Whitney Handicap
August 7 Clement L Hirsch (F/M)
August 28 Pacific Classic
August 29 Personal Ensign (F/M)
September 4 Woodward
Now eliminate the Gr. 1 qualifier and stick with July.
weatherbird wrote:
surely they wouldn't carry 132 at Delaware Park. what did you have in mind?
And you surely don't think any racing secretary would weight her out of the race if they could attract a surefire superstar draw like Z, do you?
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[quote author=islandgirl45 link=topic=35061.msg970548#msg970548 date=1276611592]
A few people have mentioned this "weight loss" thing as if it is fact. Do we know it is, indeed fact?
I ask because Faith and a couple others said they saw her last work and she looked good.
Given that, can anyone confirm Zen has lost weight?
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I went to see her Monday morning after the Vanity, and my 3rd year vet student friend was with me and her comment was "perfect body condition score." She actually said it unprompted by anyone.
She looked absolutely perfect, and I'm pretty confident in my eye for a horse, but I felt validated when my friend made the comment.
[quote author=WestCoast link=topic=35061.msg970710#msg970710 date=1276622238]
I went to see her Monday morning after the Vanity, and my 3rd year vet student friend was with me and her comment was "perfect body condition score." She actually said it unprompted by anyone.
She looked absolutely perfect, and I'm pretty confident in my eye for a horse, but I felt validated when my friend made the comment.
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good to hear! Thanks!
[quote author=weatherbird link=topic=35061.msg970700#msg970700 date=1276621194]
really?? You were the one who told me somewhere in the previous 250 pages that you thought this was the race they would or should go to. You even told me that DEL wouldn't "weight her out". Oh wait, that was Hermes Redux... never mind.
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While making me wrong is a sport around here. Try again. I said that is where I thought she'd go at the time, and I did, and I am still positive that the racing secretary would WELCOME her, but given that since then JS has expressed major reservations about shipping her, AND no personally I would never understand the attraction of the Del Cap for her career. At all. I also would NEVER have predicted that JS would consider racing her at Del Mar instead.
Weatherbird, if you stuck to posting something that made sense at least once, maybe you could stop worrying about me? Not that I don't enjoy being the center of attention.
[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg970745#msg970745 date=1276625712]
Weatherbird, if you stuck to posting something that made sense at least once, maybe you could stop worrying about me? Not that I don't enjoy being the center of attention.
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Funny how everybody is dumb and making no sense but you..... :undecided:
[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg970745#msg970745 date=1276625712]
While making me wrong is a sport around here. Try again. I said that is where I thought she'd go at the time, and I did, and I am still positive that the racing secretary would WELCOME her, but given that since then JS has expressed major reservations about shipping her, AND no personally I would never understand the attraction of the Del Cap for her career. At all. I also would NEVER have predicted that JS would consider racing her at Del Mar instead.
Weatherbird, if you stuck to posting something that made sense at least once, maybe you could stop worrying about me? Not that I don't enjoy being the center of attention.
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You never know, maybe he got Del Mar and Del Cap mixed up.
The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely the one who dropped it - Lou Holtz
[quote author=weatherbird link=topic=35061.msg970709#msg970709 date=1276622191]
actually it was in the Zenyatta won't challenge Rail Trip thread.
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Well, my thinking is that they rest her in June and July...
I figure she has raced 3 times...and she will race 3 more...
I think the Woodward/Personal Ensign work well because they are good preps for the Lady Secret which it seems her connections want to enter, but then the Clement Hirsch is within that timeframe too.
Zenyatta will not race more than six times this year.
Six races. Six Grade 1s. Six wins.
[quote author=Ruffian75 link=topic=35061.msg970683#msg970683 date=1276619747]
Call me crazy, but why would they run her in a 1 1/16-mile race at a track she doesn't like? The Delaware Handicap, Personal Ensign and a couple others are out there. The DelCap is a $750K race and it is 1 1/4-miles. I am just going to keep plugging it until they rule it out. The DelCap seems like ti should be such a natural next start.
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Unless there is a mid-year upgrade of the race to a Grade I she will not run in it. Otherwise I think she might. Its a nice track. The fans are not too over the top. :grin:
[quote author=GinTalking link=topic=35061.msg970690#msg970690 date=1276620157]
I don't understand it either. The only thing I can think of is that Shirreffs really REALLY doesn't want to travel. Any one of those races you mentioned is a no brainer for her over a race on a track she doesn't like.
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BINGO...
[move]We have a winner!!!!![/move]
Don't know if it is because of its impact on his horse or himself...but it is what it is. :azn:
Horse, thou art truly a creature without equal, for thou fliest without wings and conquerest without sword. ~ The Koran
[quote author=PJMIII link=topic=35061.msg970754#msg970754 date=1276626323]
You never know, maybe he got Del Mar and Del Cap mixed up.
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He? Who?
I said in that original post that I thought she would look at Delaware Handicap at Delaware Park, which would require her to ship, after the Vanity. They clearly were not going to HWGC. I did not think JS would opt to race her at Del Mar in August as an alternative.
[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg970745#msg970745 date=1276625712]
While making me wrong is a sport around here. Try again. I said that is where I thought she'd go at the time, and I did, and I am still positive that the racing secretary would WELCOME her, but given that since then JS has expressed major reservations about shipping her, AND no personally I would never understand the attraction of the Del Cap for her career. At all. I also would NEVER have predicted that JS would consider racing her at Del Mar instead.
Weatherbird, if you stuck to posting something that made sense at least once, maybe you could stop worrying about me? Not that I don't enjoy being the center of attention.
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it's interesting that, at the time, you never said a word about what a bad idea it would be. I brought up 7 possible targets between The Vanity and Labor Day weekend, none of which were in Delaware. You were putting up the Delaware Handicap as the more likely target without mentioning what a mistake it would be. As for "NEVER" predicting that they might consider Del Mar (which I did), I think it's obvious that they are considering Del Mar.
[quote author=littlelate link=topic=35061.msg970368#msg970368 date=1276583743]
Isn't it thought? He must be buds with draynay. He might have forgotten his happy pills though. Glad to see I'm keeping him entertained though.
Here's a video with extensive post-race coverage she's limping SO BAD :undecided:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q5RD54WnGQ
...I just don't see it.
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Dray hasn't even been posting, so please lay off -- we shouldn't be talking about other forum members anyway, at least not in any negative sense, only talking to them.
[quote author=Admin link=topic=35061.msg970773#msg970773 date=1276627234]
Dray hasn't even been posting, so please lay off -- we shouldn't be talking about other forum members anyway, at least not in any negative sense, only talking to them.
[/quote]My apologies, Vic. It was a tasteless shot.
New fear will catch us unawares, I know it will. So you might say the path we share is one of danger, and of fear, until the end.
[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg970694#msg970694 date=1276620364]
Dirt and supposed to be quirky in that horses like it or they really don't. I have never seen the upside of wasting or risking a ship for this Gr. 2, and apparently after seeing whatever he saw upon her return from OP, neither does JS.
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For a supposed quirky surface, we've never had a horse in dozens and dozens who didn't like it.
[quote author=weatherbird link=topic=35061.msg970767#msg970767 date=1276627078]
it's interesting that, at the time, you never said a word about what a bad idea it would be. I brought up 7 possible targets between The Vanity and Labor Day weekend, none of which were in Delaware. You were putting up the Delaware Handicap as the more likely target without mentioning what a mistake it would be. As for "NEVER" predicting that they might consider Del Mar (which I did), I think it's obvious that they are considering Del Mar.
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Are you capable of having a discussion with out worrying if you are right (and therefore someone else is wrong?) I did not say "bad idea" or a "mistake" W T F is wrong with you? I said it did not seem worthwhile for her. It will not gain her anything for HOY except the purse. If she is being managed more carefully now, and clearly she is, and they don't want to ship, then why go there?
Bully for you if you thought she would race at Del Mar. I didn't. Still not sure she will. OTOH, you seem to think it is a possibility for Rachel, too.
[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg970784#msg970784 date=1276627651]
Are you capable of having a discussion with out worrying if you are right (and therefore someone else is wrong?) [/quote]
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WB, I see in the original exchange I was trying to have a discussion with you and answer your query about two turn races, and include the Del Cap (except for grade.) My apology. Won't happen again.
Pot, this isn't even an incident of right v wrong. At all. I try to play nice, and stop the tone, and then I deal with pre teens like you and WB, who just drag the board down, and pick fights with me because you are clearly insecure or bored. That's fine. But there has never been a darker shade of black on a pot at TBC than the one you wear.
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