[quote author=Slewbopper link=topic=35061.msg965756#msg965756 date=1276202023]
There is no etcetera to Gulch. She beat him and King's Swan, a claimer....period
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A Claimer period? WTH Redman, have you seen his record? Of course living where you live, I'm surprised you didn't attend those races. For shame you sour little pickle. LOL best line I've heard ever to describe you. LOL again!
[quote author=FastG45 link=topic=35061.msg965782#msg965782 date=1276206019]
Anybody going to try to beat Zenyatta this weekend? She is like the SUN, you know she will show up.
If you had to bet on one horse to save your life, who would it be out of this list:
Zenyatta
Rachel Alexandra
Presious Passion
Rail Trip
Blame
Battle Plan
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Zenyatta would be my choice, but if I bet on her that would probably be her one and only loss
I wonder what the problem with calling Gulch a miler is. It's true. What Personal Ensign beat in the Whitney wasn't something to wet your pants over.
"That's all the world is after all, an endless battle of contrasting memories."
[quote author=Somnambulist link=topic=35061.msg965809#msg965809 date=1276209319]
I wonder what the problem with calling Gulch a miler is. It's true. What Personal Ensign beat in the Whitney wasn't something to wet your pants over.
[/quote]But what Rachel beat in the Woodward was? No need to detract some of the all-time greats to get your point across; ra can be good without smacking other horses. That goes for the silly King's Swan comment from bopper, too.
New fear will catch us unawares, I know it will. So you might say the path we share is one of danger, and of fear, until the end.
[quote author=littlelate link=topic=35061.msg965819#msg965819 date=1276210383]
But what Rachel beat in the Woodward was? No need to detract some of the all-time greats to get your point across; ra can be good without smacking other horses. That goes for the silly King's Swan comment from bopper, too.
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I have never said that what Rachel beat in the Woodward was good... ever, so I'm a little unsure how RA gets dragged into this.
Obviously no horse can control the other horses they run against. Gulch was without fail a really respectable horse, but I think a lot of people can agree that he probably preferred a mile over the distance of the Whitney. I'm not trying to detract anything from PE, she's one of my favorite horses and I follow all descendants of hers. She didn't need to beat the reincarnation of a Secretariat-Man O War hybrid to be good, but to think her competition in the Whitney was stellar is a little loopy too.
"That's all the world is after all, an endless battle of contrasting memories."
[quote author=Somnambulist link=topic=35061.msg965825#msg965825 date=1276210770]
Obviously no horse can control the other horses they run against.
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I agree, but apparently there is a double standard on this as far as Zenyatta's concerned. She beat a solid field in the BCC last year but that's still not enough for her detractors....
[quote author=forgotten link=topic=35061.msg965875#msg965875 date=1276214778]
I agree, but apparently there is a double standard on this as far as Zenyatta's concerned. She beat a solid field in the BCC last year but that's still not enough for her detractors....
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I'm not sure anyone (well, maybe not everyone) detracts from Zenyatta. I think a lot of people are frustrated because she's shown that she's head and shoulders above the rest of the competition, but yet she's running a pretty boring schedule. I really have nothing but respect for Zenyatta, but I'm not going to sit here and say she's the best horse ever. She hasn't run a campaign that fits that title.
"That's all the world is after all, an endless battle of contrasting memories."
I want to figure out how 3 weeks was enough time originally between her first start of the year and the Apple Blossom, which then became a better four week gap thanks to Jess, and how 4 weeks is enough the past two years for her last prep Ladies Secret to BC, but it is not enough time between Vanity and HWG? Anyone?
BTW, wonder what the final prep will be now after the Hirsch? The Zenyatta or would she possibly go to Spinster at Kee and stay in KY for BC? I'd never have thought that but given that JS has done a huge about face on how she is so much better on dirt, he wishes he could race her on dirt, and he is now willing to race her at Del Mar (but not in the Pacific Classic of course)...well it is hard to know what to think other than they are managing something, and all in once again on BCC, which is fine, although the "It is in CA" excuse doesn't fly this year. But then neither does Zenyatta. I guess even Fiji water can't rehydrate The Big Mare.
She keeps this schedule and doesn't pull off or maybe even make the ship to CD, and she might not win any Eclipse this year if another mare starts running the table in the east.
I think you need to just accept that Z likely won't run against the boys until BC. Why burn her out and ask her to run harder than she needs to at this point in the year? Save the best run for the biggest race. I'm a bit surprised that people that claim to know everything about racing can't quite get this concept.
[quote author=forgotten link=topic=35061.msg965903#msg965903 date=1276216489]
I think you need to just accept that Z likely won't run against the boys until BC. Why burn her out and ask her to run harder than she needs to at this point in the year? Save the best run for the biggest race. I'm a bit surprised that people that claim to know everything about racing can't quite get this concept.
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Everyone gets that, just some of us think it sucks for the "sport" and is far from what Moss said would happen this year, and detracts from Z's legacy. But hey, forgotten, never let an opportunity at a dig pass, lest we just forget you.
Horses aren't machines. Maybe their intention was to run her in different spots, but since the ship to the Apple Blossom took more out of her than they thought it would, they adjusted their plans. She's not a machine, they have to be somewhat flexible in their plans and put the horses first. Sorry its bad for the sport. I suppose her losing or getting hurt would be ok as long as she did it while flying all over hell and back and running solely against males.
Don't you need to go start some more rumors about Calvin Borel based on your assumptions of his demeanor while galloping this morning?
[quote author=forgotten link=topic=35061.msg965923#msg965923 date=1276217306]
Horses aren't machines. Maybe their intention was to run her in different spots, but since the ship to the Apple Blossom took more out of her than they thought it would, they adjusted their plans. She's not a machine, they have to be somewhat flexible in their plans and put the horses first. Sorry its bad for the sport. I suppose her losing or getting hurt would be ok as long as she did it while flying all over hell and back and running solely against males.
Don't you need to go start some more rumors about Calvin Borel based on your assumptions of his demeanor while galloping this morning?
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Nah, I just need to wait for the Quality Road stud deal to be announced so everyone can breath a sigh of relief at your impending vacation.
Yes, I should follow your lead and register a few variations of my name just incase, huh? I'm thinking I'll be just fine on our bet...
[quote author=forgotten link=topic=35061.msg965951#msg965951 date=1276219023]
Yes, I should follow your lead and register a few variations of my name just incase, huh? I'm thinking I'll be just fine on our bet...
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No, I will take a month off as Hermes if Darley buys him, don't worry. I am willing to honor my bet, forgotten. You think all you like, everyone here gets to judge you with every lovely post you make. The humor is unending if nothing else.
You seem to think that a message board is real life and its about `winning'. Who cares what somebody that hides behind a nickname thinks of you or is threatened by that other than you, Hermes. Seriously, you take this message board way too seriously. You were dead wrong about Calvin being taken off RA and him looking sad at the Belmont because of that. You have been told you are wrong in the breeding forum, but you keep harping on this QR and Lane's End business. What difference does it make where he goes? I just don't see Lane's End supporting his sire line nor do MANY real horsemen think he's going to add up to being a superstar in the breeding shed. I asked you to name one son of Elusive Quality that has sired some serious runners and you can't. So let it go....He's a nice racehorse and he should stay running as long as they can keep him together. You are one of these people that think that you can only like one horse a bunch and have to hate and run down every other one. Kind of like your insecurities causing you to be vile to other people that actually do know as much or more than you.
Did you say something forgotten? Cause I know you don't mean you know as much as I do or 90% of the folks here. Yeah, why don't we let it go and reconvene for a parting shot when QR's stud deal is announcedNot that anyone here thinks you won't welsh on the bet, or that you have a clue who would be a better sire prospect for 2011, and I am sorry, but does EQ have any sires out there with more than 3 yr olds this year?
there are several sires with no more than three year olds doing quite well......
I'm not getting in a useless argument with you over who knows more. I'm quite secure within myself and certainly don't care what you think. In fact, I would be more worried if you agreed with me....then I would start to wonder if I had lost my touch after all these years... :smiley:
[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg965966#msg965966 date=1276219863]
Did you say something forgotten? Cause I know you don't mean you know as much as I do or 90% of the folks here. Yeah, why don't we let it go and reconvene for a parting shot when QR's stud deal is announced
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Uhhhhhhhh ... That's "welch" Hermes ... :wink:
Live life, don't just exist it!
[quote author=forgotten link=topic=35061.msg965971#msg965971 date=1276220024]
there are several sires with no more than three year olds doing quite well......
I'm not getting in a useless argument with you over who knows more. I'm quite secure within myself and certainly don't care what you think. In fact, I would be more worried if you agreed with me....then I would start to wonder if I had lost my touch after all these years... :smiley:
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Only if you were one of those children that touched the stove even when told, "It's Hot. Don't."
Yeah, EQ on that 10k fee he started with has had a great shot as a sire of sires so far. It's a damn wonder he still stands for 75k after all these years, isn't it? Keep 'em coming Ms. Security. DIG that hole, baby!
[quote author=The Tin Man link=topic=35061.msg965974#msg965974 date=1276220192]
Uhhhhhhhh ... That's "welch" Hermes ... :wink:
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Damn, Tinny, you got that one wrong, too. Ouch. Look it up. Welsh is used, too. But when one is as petty and pedantic as you are, this is to be expected. How's that second Cushion Track company doing?
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