Zenyatta News

[Faith]

[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg968633#msg968633 date=1276465882]
The noise is going to be the deafening sound of silence if she loses today. And either way I predict this is her last race. Lets hope (as many of you always do) that I am wrong.

Z has never failed to overcome rumor and speculation that she is not at her best, though.
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Why do you predict that? Just for argument's sake, will you fill me in? I don't think I've read that from you before.

And I gtg. Post time in an hour and a half and I'm still sitting here at my computer. See you all later.

[CoronadosQuest]

[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg968633#msg968633 date=1276465882]
The noise is going to be the deafening sound of silence if she loses today. And either way I predict this is her last race. Lets hope (as many of you always do) that I am wrong.

Z has never failed to overcome rumor and speculation that she is not at her best, though.
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You think she is going to lose? I just can't see her losing. I see her winning by about a length, give or take a bit, with her ears pricked and then she dances back to the winner's circle like she always does. I really think the only horse who can beat her out west is Rail Trip.

[halo]

Actually, its not a big bad noise. Its a very subtle wheezing that horsemen would notice. I was just sent a link to a video of the work, and yes, she is making a slight noise. I would have to think that since this was just noted, that it is something new. Its probably nothing, she'll probably air today as she always does.

I would be very surprised if she wasnt scoped after this work. Could have had some pharyngitis, some mucous, any of some minor issues.

Probably no one would have even noticed this with an ordinary horse, but she is so micro-watched that its not a surprise it was noted.

[Huaka]

^ Could I see the link?

[SecretariatForever]

[quote author=Huaka link=topic=35061.msg968652#msg968652 date=1276466900]
^ Could I see the link?
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I'd like too aswell.

[Rick1323]

Fabrication.....there is no link.

[Hermes]

[quote author=Rick1323 link=topic=35061.msg968672#msg968672 date=1276467505]
Fabrication.....there is no link.
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You mean like your "friend" out there fabricated injury for her last year?
Just saying, Halo's info is no more legit, accurate, or not than anyone else's rumors or observations.
Unless you wanted a link to a mistake riddled Blood Horse or Ny Times article?

[halo]

I hesitate to put this out there, because 99% of you wont know what you are hearing, but here it is:

http://www.focusedfilly.com/2010/06/02/zenyatta/

[Somnambulist]

I'm with Hermes. There are a lot of people who fabricate things, but I don't think halo is one of them. halo's been around a long time, and I don't recall any boo-boo's.

[GinTalking]

[quote author=CoronadosQuest link=topic=35061.msg968639#msg968639 date=1276466072]
You think she is going to lose? I just can't see her losing. I see her winning by about a length, give or take a bit, with her ears pricked and then she dances back to the winner's circle like she always does. I really think the only horse who can beat her out west is Rail Trip.
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I have no opinion on that comment ... but if I were to guess, I think it could come after a win or a loss. A loss because the streak is over. A win because she will have gotten the record. But again, that's pure speculation on someone else's speculation. :wink:

[Huaka]

That's an old work. The one where she dusted Aitcho. Not her recent one. She had TWO workmates with her in that one.

[Rick1323]

[quote author=Hermes link=topic=35061.msg968679#msg968679 date=1276467794]
You mean like your "friend" out there fabricated injury for her last year?
Just saying, Halo's info is no more legit, accurate, or not than anyone else's rumors or observations.
Unless you wanted a link to a mistake riddled Blood Horse or Ny Times article?
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Your right. And so is Halo....I have no idea what I am listening for. I actually used to pay that "friend" for information when I was playing a lot of So Cal Pick 6s. We parted ways.

[Hermes]

[quote author=GinTalking link=topic=35061.msg968683#msg968683 date=1276467926]
I have no opinion on that comment ... but if I were to guess, I think it could come after a win or a loss. A loss because the streak is over. A win because she will have gotten the record. But again, that's pure speculation on someone else's speculation. :wink:
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This is said well Gin.
If I had to bet head to head, I'd say she will win as she always does. But I am picking ST to upset today.

[SecretariatForever]

[quote author=halo link=topic=35061.msg968681#msg968681 date=1276467879]
I hesitate to put this out there, because 99% of you wont know what you are hearing, but here it is:

http://www.focusedfilly.com/2010/06/02/zenyatta/
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It went from it being an obvious noise to here's the link "99% of you wont know what you are hearing" in other words...you probably won't hear anything but it's just because you don't know what to listen for. *rolls eyes*


P.S. The mind can play tricks on you. You look hard enough for something..well there's a saying about it. But it doesn't mean it's really there. It's all in your mind.

[Somnambulist]

[quote author=Secretariat Forever link=topic=35061.msg968695#msg968695 date=1276468342]P.S. The mind can play tricks on you. You look hard enough for something..well there's a saying about it. But it doesn't mean it's really there. It's all in your mind.
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Ok this is a little ridiculous. What you wrote is truth, but it's one thing to have a healthy skepticism, and another to be way rude about it.

[GinTalking]

That's a pretty bizarre 'work' by the workmate. The rider was practically ... not practically, was ... standing up for the whole work. If that's Aitcho, no wonder he ran last yesterday. Probably thought trailing the field was how he was supposed to do it.

[halo]

As I said, Im not there. People who I know and trust are there.

[Jinx]

[quote author=carbonite link=topic=35061.msg965524#msg965524 date=1276176765]
You (predictably) miss the point, Monmouth Guy.

There is a geographical distance between east and west, and a significant difference in what is required in terms of travel, going from either location to the midwest. The primary point is not that Cigar didn't travel--he did. But he was located in the East, and he actually did relatively little cross-country travel.

His base was Belmont and Gulfstream in the winter. The ship from Gulfstream to Oaklawn is a fairly routine one, remaining within one (southern) region. The ship to Pimlico in one direction or to Suffolk in the other is a van ride. Prior to his '95 Horse of the Year award, he had one significant ship, cross-country to Hollywood. The following year he had the big ship to Dubai, then came home for a van-up to the MassCap. He then embarked on his cross-country ship that was designed to get him a stopover halfway in Chicago with a specially-written race before doing the second half of the ship to Del Mar (Paulson's home track), and then returning to New York. If Paulson had not been living at Del Mar, that trip would never have occurred, and to make it happen, they wanted a place to go along the way. He won one of his two cross-country ships, and he won 2 of his five final starts during the sequence that began with the ship to Arlington. In the fifteen months from the time Mott got him, until he was named Horse of the Year, he started 16 times, 12 of them in New York or Florida, depending on where he was based at the time; and of the four ships, only one--the cross-country ship to the Hollywood Gold Cup--was a major transport.

Nothing that I have read thus far about Zenyatta indicates anything other than what seemed most likely with this cockamamey idea of keeping her in training for another year: try to ship and face Rachel early (which Rachel predictably avoided) then try to hold her together over the summer, so you still have something in the tank to wind up when you have to ship in the fall. Depending on what the year looks like once you get to September, you have to decide if you want to ship east for a race before the Breeders Cup or let it all ride on one last bullet in Louisville. But from day one, this campaign has never made a lot of sense to me as anything other than people having a hard time letting go of a career that they feel (I think rightly) has been undervalued.

I think that they have done a remarkable job with a remarkable mare.
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I agree.

What I don't understand is how anyone on here who has witnessed what Rachel's 2009 campaign did to her in terms of 2010 would wish that on Zenyatta. I think Zenyatta's connections are thinking about her well-being. Maybe they were honestly planning to ship her around until they saw how RA was struggling to get her mojo back and then Z dehydrated on her trip to Oaklawn and they said the heck with that idea. Obviously, they don't want to do to her what happened to Rachel...where test after test after test took its toll. I think they consider Z more of a pet than a trophy and they are treating her accordingly. Rather than being wasted, I think she's being carefully managed to make it through this season in one piece. Remember she is 6 and at that age a mare can start tailing off.

[SecretariatForever]

[quote author=Somnambulist link=topic=35061.msg968697#msg968697 date=1276468435]
Ok this is a little ridiculous. What you wrote is truth, but it's one thing to have a healthy skepticism, and another to be way rude about it.
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Not trying to be rude. It was not a personal attack.

[CoronadosQuest]

I heard a snorting/panting dog noise. Thats all.