I don't recall reading anywhere that the thought was that he could improve stock with lesser mares--not that I am doubting you, but it has been often stated in the literature of the time that Samuel Riddle wanted to breed him mainly to his own mares .Originally Posted by flytothestars
That's what I've read. Riddle essentially kept Man o' War a semi-private stallion, and he wasn't bred to outside mares very much (I vaguely remember he had some worry about stressing the great horse, although some of it was likely plain old possessiveness). Riddle's mares were okay, but not great, and I've read more than one book wondering what he would have produced if he'd actually seen the great mares of the era.
I agree that he was bred to mostly Riddle's mares, they were not top-class but they together produced many great horses. Makes me wonder, if he was bred to great mares from the start, would he have more success? I doubt it. He had better mares over his later years and did not produce as much successful offspring compared to his earlier years.
Heck, he was a great sire regardless on quality of his mares.
Drosselmeyer will NOT be standing in NY.
read that he might return on the track.
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. No one said Bernardini is successful because of his book of mares. I hardly think anyone would think he would be a "laughing stock" if he hadnt produced well up to now. You sure take this to a personal level dont you.
He was brought up as a "what if". He's getting the best book money can buy and he's doing fairly well. He's not anywhere near close to producing to the level of his broodmares, and he's pretty low in the stakes winners department. But he's of little or no interest to me, because Im looking for stallions who are strong producers with little help from their mares.
Alright, take any other stallion, I dont give a flip who you choose. I just picked Bernardini because he obviously gets the best books of mares of any stallion in the country right now. And who said High Cotton was going to be a fantastic sire?? He's had a pretty decent start with only 44 foals, several stakes horses, nice maiden special winners. So I want to breed to him because he looks like he can produce race horses and I race horses.
You need a nap or something.....
Aragorn to Tommy Town http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-in-california
I knew a move was coming, but I'll miss seeing him in KY.
Yes, but I guess now he will go to Ky when he does retire. NY is off the table I guess. Maybe they'll send Sharp Humor up there instead.
Seems like Sharp Humor actually would be a good fit in NY.
Just because Bernardini gets the best mares dont mean he would do good with them. Fusaichi Pegasus got real good mares at first but never really did much with them. I think Bernardini would do good no matter what mares he gets though getting the best does help some. I know I would not bet against him.
I know how to read, thank you very much.In any case, It's hard to take the rest of your post seriously at all when you say he's just doing fairly well (he has far fewer runners than a vast majority of the sires on the leading sire list) and then add to the humor by saying he's low in the SW department. Really? He has had 9 SW from his first crop and 2 already from his 2nd crop - if you consider that low, then I don't know what to tell you.
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All I go by is what I read...I dont make it up.
http://www.equineline.com/extendedco...&ASCID=1443262
335 foals of racing age, 10 stakes winners = 3% stakes winners
335 foals of racing age in 2 crops. I know in this day and age I shouldn't find that mind boggling but I do.
30 years ago that would have been a stallions entire career worth of foals.
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Using sw% on a horse who 2/3 of his horses of racing age are still 2 years old dont seam fair to me. Especially when he himself didnt race too he was 3 and didnt win to march of that year. His 2 years old this year had an aei of 1.5 and his total aei this year is 2.75. Looks like his 3 years old are much better then his 2 years old. Someone must really like him his average at Keeneland this year was over 250,000 while his average rna was still over 139,000.
Agree. Would have liked to see him end up there instead. I like the horse, and think that would have been a great fit for him.
Pretty selective interpretation. Of the 335 foals of racing age, 226 are 2 year olds. I'm guessing that roughly half (maybe a little less) of those are southern hemisphere 2 year olds, which means they're not even old enough to be starting for any horse since it's barely spring there, much less a classically-oriented son of A.P. Indy. There's no way to look at only northern hemisphere foals in the report you linked, so the best you can do is look at the 109 3 year olds, and of those, 8 are stakes winners (10 total stakes winners - 2 2011 2 y.o. stakes winners), so that's 7% stakes winners. Of the 2 year olds that have started, 4.5% are stakes winners (and if I wanted to skew my argument like you did, I'd round that up to 5%).
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Thanks for all of that research - good stuff. I guess when you are trying to make a point, you use only the information that helps your cause. FYI, though, he's already making a promising start in Australia - trainers love his offpsring and he has one impressive winner already.
Regal Ransom at 7500 is a steal. He would be one of my "breed to sell on a budget" stallions. I think Giralomo at 15k is way overpriced. I would take two Regal Ransoms for that. Still waiting on Sidneys Candy news. If he is below 15, I like him. Twirling Candy is a good buy at 15. Either one will work for me.
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