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  1. #21

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    Somali Lemonade in the Juv Filly Turf

  2. #22

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    Secret Circle in the Juvy Sprint and Turbulent Descent are 2 that jump out to me.

  3. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paseana View Post
    Turbulent Descent in the F&M Sprint. If this race is run without incident, I just don't see anybody going in there that will beat her.
    I agree. Looks like the only sure bet to me

  4. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeAtZen View Post
    YES YES YES
    Agreed with Rags.

    If Goldlikova can recapture her BC Turf Mile form from last year...she could as well.

    That effortless move she made coming down the stretch was incredible. If she runs back to that form she could stomp on the field.
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  5. #25

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    It is always hard to predict the future especially when your
    crystal ball is on brown out, but I'll have to go with Uncle Mo.
    He was champion 2 year old. He starts his 3 year old year
    sick but still wins. He looks like he is back to him old self a
    Champion. I say he does it in style 20 lengths.
    For the record I think Inside Information holds the BC record for lengths won by
    in the 96 Distaff @ Belmont WOW
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  6. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Song of Solomon View Post
    He wasn't sick when he ran down in FL. He likely wasn't sick when he ran in NY either -- they announced him being ill 9 days after the race.

    They were able to diagnose something later, but I know before the race people were saying something looked slightly off about him, and he hadn't been finishing up his meals, but at that point they were unsure if it was from traveling or something else. I wouldn't say he was sick in his first start, but I would think something was amiss during his wood run. Stuff with horses is hard to diagnose even with the best technology because they just can't tell us something is wrong. How often do you feel "off" but you still eat and continue on with your life and most people would never guess anything was wrong. If I were being picky and comparing Mo's races, while he has the lead easy in the Wood his stride is a little labored and not as smooth as in other races. Like it was a lot harder for him to keep that speed even though the jockey wasn't urging him. Maybe he wasn't sick yet, but it sure seemed something wasn't right either to me, and I remember thinking that when I watched it live.

  7. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Song of Solomon View Post
    He wasn't sick when he ran down in FL. He likely wasn't sick when he ran in NY either -- they announced him being ill 9 days after the race.
    5 days after the race, once the tests came back. He was sick during the Wood.
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  8. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenn52318 View Post
    If I were being picky and comparing Mo's races, while he has the lead easy in the Wood his stride is a little labored and not as smooth as in other races. Like it was a lot harder for him to keep that speed even though the jockey wasn't urging him.

    Anyone familiar with this horse's running style can see he was labouring 1/2 way through the race. He usually floats - that day he was struggling.
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  9. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenn52318 View Post
    They were able to diagnose something later, but I know before the race people were saying something looked slightly off about him, and he hadn't been finishing up his meals, but at that point they were unsure if it was from traveling or something else. I wouldn't say he was sick in his first start, but I would think something was amiss during his wood run. Stuff with horses is hard to diagnose even with the best technology because they just can't tell us something is wrong. How often do you feel "off" but you still eat and continue on with your life and most people would never guess anything was wrong. If I were being picky and comparing Mo's races, while he has the lead easy in the Wood his stride is a little labored and not as smooth as in other races. Like it was a lot harder for him to keep that speed even though the jockey wasn't urging him. Maybe he wasn't sick yet, but it sure seemed something wasn't right either to me, and I remember thinking that when I watched it live.
    We were there too and he definitely looked sluggish, but watching it live in person from a distance I didn't have a chance to see the race closely until I rewatched it the next day.
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  10. #30

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    The Factor just worked 7f in 1:22....hmmmmmmmmm!

  11. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slewbopper View Post
    The topic is 'crush fields"

    Classic....Mo, although I won't bet him.
    Sprint.....Giant Ryan....this horse is on fire. 6 straight wins
    JFillies....Miss Aurella. Outran the Champagne boys in the Frizette
    Giant Ryan never wins by much. I think he has the biggest chance of winning the Sprint, but it'll probably be by no more than a few lengths.

  12. #32

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    Goldikova,Havre De Grace or Uncle Mo and Union Rags in the Juvenile

  13. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Song of Solomon View Post
    He wasn't sick when he ran down in FL. He likely wasn't sick when he ran in NY either -- they announced him being ill 9 days after the race.
    That is the art of handicapping...I believe he didn't perform as
    well because I think he was sick. Do you have answers as why he
    performed as poorly as he did?
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  14. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Song of Solomon View Post
    Which race are you talking about? You're giving that he wasn't sick in FL, I hope.

    As for the Wood, he didn't run bad, he didn't look bad, and he would've looked great if two others didn't mow him down in the final strides. Looks like a classic case of the distance being too far -- either through distance limitations or lack of fitness.

    There's nothing to indicate that he was feeling any effects of any illness. Sometimes there are very visible and indisputable excuses. Most of the time it's murkier than that. I find this a definite case of murkiness, given the connections and questions surrounding him (supposed rare liver disease, shaved part of leg, supposed hoof patch, not scratching until a far later date than expected, etc). Handicapping Mo's chances in the Classic, I wouldn't say that this horse ran in the Wood sick, nor would I say it proved he can't go 1 1/4 miles in a couple weeks time.
    Haven't you contradicted yourself?

    You say it looks like he could have been distance challenged as the reason for his loss in the Wood, but later you suggest that if that was the case that it proved he can't go 10 furlongs? I know you have an OR for fitness...but if indeed it was that he was distance challenged in the Wood (which I do not believe since I think he was showing the effects of the sickness from what I saw as he came onto the track for the Wood and when he came off) then how can you say it doesn't prove that he can't go 10 furlongs?
    "...and God took a handful of Southerly wind, blew his breath over it, and created the horse." - Bedouin Legend
    PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL HORSE RESCUE OR OLD FRIENDS KY OR NY - AND GIVE THE GIFT OF LIFE.

  15. #35

    Re: Any horses you think have the potiential to stomp their fields in the Breeders Cu

    Quote Originally Posted by Song of Solomon View Post
    Which race are you talking about? You're giving that he wasn't sick in FL, I hope.

    As for the Wood, he didn't run bad, he didn't look bad, and he would've looked great if two others didn't mow him down in the final strides. Looks like a classic case of the distance being too far -- either through distance limitations or lack of fitness.

    There's nothing to indicate that he was feeling any effects of any illness. Sometimes there are very visible and indisputable excuses. Most of the time it's murkier than that. I find this a definite case of murkiness, given the connections and questions surrounding him (supposed rare liver disease, shaved part of leg, supposed hoof patch, not scratching until a far later date than expected, etc). Handicapping Mo's chances in the Classic, I wouldn't say that this horse ran in the Wood sick, nor would I say it proved he can't go 1 1/4 miles in a couple weeks time.

    The person whose opinion on fitness I most respect, and I think you would respect him as well, thought he looked OK in Florida for the Timely Writer, but not for the Wood Memorial. He felt he was thin, with a dull coat, when he saw him in the paddock at Aqueduct. I have heard this from others as well, and I'm talking pre-race.

  16. #36

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    Wow, I can't believe we've sunk so far as to debate just how sick Mo was in the Wood.
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  17. #37

    Re: Any horses you think have the potiential to stomp their fields in the Breeders Cu

    Quote Originally Posted by Song of Solomon View Post
    , supposed hoof patch,



    also, post-race:

    Last edited by LifeAtZen; 10-25-2011 at 01:21 PM.
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  18. #38

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    I remember thinking he might be injured during the Wood. For anyone who follows him, it's obvious his stride wasn't as easy as it was before. That's why the King's Bishop and then of course the Forego were so exciting--the stride was back. Mo was off in the Wood. It is logical that he was off because of the illness discovered less than a week afterward.

  19. #39

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    Lot of Uncle Mo apologists out there. I don't know, I just don't see the draw with this horse. He was a lock to blow the doors off of the Kelso Hcp, but to say he's a lock to blow the doors off of the Breeders Cup Classic? He ran lights out last time out, but it was a 4 horse race and a one turn mile. Sure, he won the Juvenile last year over this track...but exactly one other horse out of that race has amounted to anything at all, that being his stablemate Stay Thirsty. I don't care what anyone says, 10 furlongs is gonna be pushing it with this horse. Plus, I always think about how amazingly bad Pletcher horses tend to run when it's time for the big dance. Anybody remember Quality Road last year? Let's put it this way, as a true reflection of his chances, if Uncle Mo wins the Breeders' Cup Classic, his backers should get at least 12-1 or 15-1 on him. However, you'd be lucky to get 2-1 on him because people love to jump on the Titanic while it's sinking.....it's baffling.

    As far as potential to 'stomp' a field, Union Rags could be a possibility..he hasn't done much wrong...but he hasn't been around 2 turns yet. But my pick to run away with a race is actually AU Miner in the Marathon. That horse got the hell knocked out of him last year, then of course Borel decided to knock the hell out of Castellano. But the horse has looked amazing in all of his starts this year. I know he got DQed at Philly for basically what amounts to having a drop of methylprednisolone in his system, but he'll probably still run in the Marathon that will probably be weaker than last year's running.

  20. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsebagger View Post
    Somali Lemonade in the Juv Filly Turf
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