What do these bloodlines lend to?

[GiddyGoodTime]

Hi - I have a mare that was very talented in the dressage ring and 3 day eventing. She was injured in a trailer accident. I've always heard that she has great bloodlines - but I know nothing about TB lines. Do these lines mean anything for racing and are they desirable in today's breeding barn? I'm looking to find her the best home possible - and I'm weighing whether I want to see if she makes sport horses or find her a good home with a small TB band.

I'm more interested in bloodline critique than a mare critique as I don't have any good pictures of her confo - I need to find my old DVD's and CD's that have them from when she was in work

Thanks in advance!!!

[Retrospectiv]

Are her bloodlines desirable for racing? In a word....probably 'no' to most.

Her dam failed to break her maiden in 12 tries.
Your mare's half sister won only a maiden in 14 starts.
Her grand dam appears to be unraced.
The other 2 half sisters to Giddy showing on PQ were far from stellar racehorses...one a winner of $11,000 in 7 starts, the other a winner of $75,000 the hard way, in 100+ starts. She appears to have been exported to Jamaica as her 2 listed foals are both Jamaica breds.

If your mare has/had a talent for dressage and eventing, I'd look in that direction for her broodmare career. Plenty of nice TB and warmblood stallions who I'm sure could compliment her well and produce a nice foal for those same disciplines

[GiddyGoodTime]

Thank you! That's what I was looking for

[serenassong]

She's got some great blood back in her pedigree, but nothing up close. There are indeed plenty of stallions that would probably work nicely with her and could give you a nice sports horse. Another poster here bred her mare(via AI) to Redwine, and she is lovely - has a very bright future-
http://www.grayfoxfarms.com/redwine.htm

[Lamb Chop]

With the triple-cross to Princequillo, my mind goes to eventing, where all that distance blood can be so helpful.

[GiddyGoodTime]

I actually had looked at Redwine in the past - glad to know I'm thinking along the right path.

I would definitely go for an eventer - I ride at the 2* level but would be breeding her to sell her and foal, most likely to an amateur - hopefully before she's foaled out!

Any other TB's that are known to throw really nice calm temperaments?

Here's a quick pic I took of her - not necessarily her best turn-out ever - looks so scruffy with her winter coat and big hay belly (been out of work 2 years, am starting her through jump chute and light ground work though to get her fit again)! Gives an idea on build.



Here are two warmblood stallions that belong to people that will give me a "friends and family" discount I think both have the type of temperament that will improve any mare. Both are unproven - but very very nice and talented in person. I don't know if anyone here would be interested in saying "yay" or "ney" to this - but will throw it out there and see if any huge major flaws or "just kick her to the pasture puff field" by her confo and lines - I'm soooo unfamiliar with TB breeding that I wouldn't know any red flags if they were waving two inches from my face!

Holsteiner Jumper (I know, taken from an angle, not good for actual critiquing):




Oldenburg Dressage (with fantastic jump) Stallion - his feet are better than that, man made problems:

[TBird]

If your plan is to breed her and sell her in foal, you might want to spend some time studying the market, which like that for racing TBs, is very tight and very particular, especially now when money is scarce. There are so many free TB mares available to sporthorse breeders that unless she has both a great (and verifiable) record of achievement and approval from one or more warmblood associations, you may have a tough time finding interested buyers even if she's in foal to a good stallion.

[ourmims]

If your plan is to breed her and sell her in foal, you might want to spend some time studying the market, which like that for racing TBs, is very tight and very particular, especially now when money is scarce. There are so many free TB mares available to sporthorse breeders that unless she has both a great (and verifiable) record of achievement and approval from one or more warmblood associations, you may have a tough time finding interested buyers even if she's in foal to a good stallion.

This is dead on. We had a TB/Dutch WB 2 year old gelding for sale, dam is a top notch eventer who has produced several top notch jumpers, sire is a proven jump/dressage sire in the Netherlands. No dice at $5,000. He's got a nice confirmation and has a lot of potential. He's now going to end up being my project the next few years.

[GiddyGoodTime]

And these kinds of stories are what I'm afraid of This is why I seek input and help! LOL

Thank you for your honest feedback - I'm hoping to sell, but if can't, I do have a situation where I can keep the foal and care for it/bring it along. I'm trying to make the mare more marketable - are bred mares even less so right now?

[Lord Helpus]

I am unclear about your goals. Are you looking for a TB sport horse stallion who is known for siring good event horses with incredible temperaments? If so, then one horse stands out: A Fine Romance.

If you are looking for the best deal you can get on a jumper or dressage horse who has not been gelded, you will have a hard time selling the mare in foal or the resulting foal.

BTW, If you want more information on Redwine and Gray Fox Farm, go over to The Chronicle of the Horse Forums and then go to Sport Horse Breeding. Do a search for Redwine and Jill Burnell. There is a long thread about her from several months ago. You will find it enlightening, I think.

Keep in mind that COTH is a national magazine and keeps very strict tabs on any information that may be defamatory which is posted on its web site. Anything that cannot be verified is taken down. So, anything that is still on the sight has been verified as being true.

Just as "the cheapest part of owning a horse is the purchase price", so is, "the cheapest part of breeding is the stud fee".

Everything else costs exactly the same, from conception to sale. But you have a higher chance of getting many more thousands of $$ for your sale price, if you spend $1000 more on your stud fee.

[GiddyGoodTime]

Thanks for your input - I've been breeding warmbloods for several years - so I'm familiar with the costs associated with the process.

Thanks for the TB suggestion of A Fine Romance - I will definitely look into him

My goal is to get this mare a good home. She's too nice a mare to pass up the breeding shed.

I event at the 2* level and have figured out the "type" of horse I like to ride - both of the warmbloods I posted have the quality I enjoy working with - and will sire a good jumping horse with great dressage capabilities (and FANTASTIC ammy personalities). The mare was my advanced prospect - but couldn't pass up selling her to another pro when that person offered me a ton of money and I was moving across the country. I really wish I had passed that opportunity up.

The mare is not rideable for any sort of serious riding and not happy being a trail horse. She is happy out in a herd of mares. So I'm trying to find her a good life - being a relatively new pro in the horse world, I shouldn't be carrying extra horses, but I can if push comes to shove.

[GoldenGull]

What confuses me is that we have numerous threads discussing slaughter and the over production of horses that do not find meaningful, useful lives and homes and then someone comes on here asking for breeding advice and nobody says......don't breed her ever.

If she doesn't have exceptional conformation and a real legitimate reason for being in the breeding shed, just abstain. If she's not an exceptional performance horse and she's not even useful for a trail horse, why breed her? She will be happy living her days out in a herd of horses regardless of whether or not she produces a foal.

Sorry if that's harsh, but I don't understand how people will comment endlessly on the over production of horses that won't find homes and then nobody offers up the option of just saying no.

[GiddyGoodTime]

What confuses me is that we have numerous threads discussing slaughter and the over production of horses that do not find meaningful, useful lives and homes and then someone comes on here asking for breeding advice and nobody says......don't breed her ever.

If she doesn't have exceptional conformation and a real legitimate reason for being in the breeding shed, just abstain. If she's not an exceptional performance horse and she's not even useful for a trail horse, why breed her? She will be happy living her days out in a herd of horses regardless of whether or not she produces a foal.

Sorry if that's harsh, but I don't understand how people will comment endlessly on the over production of horses that won't find homes and then nobody offers up the option of just saying no.

Thank you for your honest feedback - this is also what is going through my head every moment. I originally started this thread for an insight into her lines pertaining to racing - then the door was opened to a warmblood stallion, so I wanted to take advantage of the knowledge that is present on this board of the Thoroughbred and the specific lines that were good for non-racing breeding and possibly warmbloods that have a good record of crossing with TB's

I also wanted to give someone the opportunity to jump in and say "You're CRAZY - that mare has 5 legs and three tails and would pass all of those traits on!" Which would actually make my life easier - because everyone around here tells me I'm wasting a good mare and a ton of talent

Again, THANK YOU!

[sweettalk]

if you bred her ONCE with the intent to keep the foal as long as it lived, like when she passes on you still have part of her with you and you still have a horse to trail rie or do shows with, that's up to you. but if youre breeding just to breed or trying to profit, id advise against it too. i think i read here that quarter horses register 80k+ horses a year? that's just one breed! unless you have serious plans for the resulting foal, theres nothing wrong with her not breeding.

[Laurierace]

What is your goal for the foal? I realize circumstances can change but at least at the outset are you planning on breeding for yourself or to sell? One foal or a baby factory? Agree 100000% she has no business being bred for racing. I LOVE A Fine Romance but there are countless horses that could improve her. Do you have any pics of her in action over jumps and doing dressage? That is helpful as well.

I am the one with the spectacular Redwine foal. Enough bad things have happened to other people with this stallion owner that I would be hesitant to repeat the breeding. I am one of the lucky one as my foal was able to be registered and branded.

[Laurierace]

Sorry I just re-read your post and saw that you were hoping to find a home for her more easily by getting her in foal. That I definitely would not do. On the off chance someone does want her they would want to pick the sire themselves.

[GiddyGoodTime]

Thanks everyone! Y'all confirmed what I was already thinking. She does have a verifiable show record - through 3rd level dressage and at A rated hunter shows and through training eventing. One of the stallion owners may actually take her and add her to their brood mare pasture I was hoping she would, it just took her some time to realize that she might be able to get a few really nice foals out of her and get her stallion's permanent license with one more foal in 2013. That breeder's foals are sold before they hit the ground on reputation alone - so I think it will be a nice win-win situation.

Thanks for all of the insight!