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Re: Across the pond

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 1:57 pm
by stark
Treve wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 1:34 pm
Methinks the KY Derby bumper cars is a unique phenom...
Thanks

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:32 pm
by ThreeMustangs
stark wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 12:56 pm
Just curious, comparing our Derby with big races around the world. Full fields like the Arc or Melbourne, wherever, what happens when there's bumping at a critical point in the race? Are there unwritten let 'em run rules that everybody understands? Any famous DQ's?
Nureyev was disqualified in the 1980 2,000 Guineas. There have been more recent disqualifications in the 1,000 Guineas.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:33 pm
by Mylute
Curious: I know there are some races in Europe, or the UK specifically, that have fields of 20+. How do those usually work out?

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:45 pm
by carole
Can't remember the year and the other horse involved but quite recently, Simple Verse won the St. Leger (3rd leg of the English Triple Crown) but there was some bumping around in the final furlong. After a long inquiry she was disqualified but it was clear to everyone watching that she shouldn't have been. The owners appealed and Simple Verse ended up being reinstated as the winner.

Will say though, majority of the British racing folks on Twitter were very much against Maximum Security's DQ. I don't know the rules in Britain well enough but it seems that under our rules Maximum Security would not be disqualified.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:47 pm
by carole
carole wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 7:45 pm
Can't remember the year and the other horse involved but quite recently, Simple Verse won the St. Leger (3rd leg of the English Triple Crown) but there was some bumping around in the final furlong. After a long inquiry she was disqualified but it was clear to everyone watching that she shouldn't have been. The owners appealed and Simple Verse ended up being reinstated as the winner.

Will say though, majority of the British racing folks on Twitter were very much against Maximum Security's DQ. I don't know the rules in Britain well enough but it seems that under our rules Maximum Security would not be disqualified.
Here it is, 2015. The other horse involved was Bondi Beach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_39rwZr_MZs

Video explaining the appeal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8z1IsV_Hsw

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 8:07 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
I know that Ascot regularly has 32-horse fields on their straight mile course, but that stretch is wide enough for 32 horses to run side-by-side all the way to the finish line. The longer races that start on the 'round' course have lots of elbow room, and a fair bit of distance before the first turn.
The generous width of race courses in Australia, Europe and Japan tend to prevent the sort of Demolition-Derby crowding that we are seeing every year at Churchill. :(

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 10:58 am
by ThreeMustangs
Godolphin takes both French Guineas with Persian King (2,000) and the unbeaten Castle Lady (1,000).

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 8:22 pm
by Starine
That Persian King sure is a looker. It will be interesting to see if he makes his next start again at a mile or steps up in distance.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 6:52 pm
by ThreeMustangs
Frankel had his first European classic winner today when Anapurna won the Oaks under Frankie for John Gosden. It’s nice to see an relatively small owner-breeder like Meon Valley Stud bag a classic over Coolmore. Coolmore owns or co-owns 7 of the 13 runners in the Derby tomorrow.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 6:55 pm
by ThreeMustangs
Starine wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 8:22 pm
That Persian King sure is a looker. It will be interesting to see if he makes his next start again at a mile or steps up in distance.
He’s running in the Prix Du Jockey Club on Sunday.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 7:02 pm
by Sparrow Castle
NBC Sports to Televise Epsom Derby on Saturday
NBC Sports’ live horse racing coverage continues with the 240th running of the Epsom Derby this Saturday, June 1 at 10 a.m. ET on NBCSN from Epsom Downs Racecourse in Surrey, England.

The race is the second jewel of the English Triple Crown, which begins with the Two Thousand Guineas and concludes with the St Leger.

The Epsom Derby is the U.K.’s richest horse race, with a purse of more than 1.6 million British pounds (more than $2 million U.S. dollars).

Renowned Irish horse racing trainer Aidan O’Brien, who has trained six past winners of the race, will field eight of the 15 runners in the race, including contenders Anthony Van Dyck and Sir Dragonet. Anthony Van Dyck ran in last year’s Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Turf at Churchill Downs, competing against 2019 Preakness Stakes winner War of Will.

Coverage will be streamed live on NBCSports.com and the NBC Sports app – NBC Sports Group’s live streaming product for mobile devices, tablets, and connected TVs.
https://www.americasbestracing.net/the- ... y-Saturday

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 9:19 pm
by lurkey mclurker
G @LongBallToNoOne
3h 3 hours ago

Connections confirmed ROGER BAROWS will go to the G1 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in October.
Roger Barows (JPN - Deep Impact x Little Book [GB]) won the Japanese Derby on May 26. He has one G1 win and a G2 second in six career starts (3 wins, 2 seconds).
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Re: Across the pond

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 9:31 pm
by Starine
ThreeMustangs wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 6:55 pm
Starine wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 8:22 pm
That Persian King sure is a looker. It will be interesting to see if he makes his next start again at a mile or steps up in distance.
He’s running in the Prix Du Jockey Club on Sunday.
Thanks. And now I hear Zarkallani, the recent maiden winner out of Zarkava, is likely to run:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ench-derby

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:13 am
by ThreeMustangs
NBCSN is showing the Derby.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:56 pm
by Mylute
Anthony Van Dyck fought his way through the pack of horses, found an opening on the rail, and fought hard to win.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:59 pm
by Sparrow Castle
What a thriller! O'Brien's Anthony Van Dyck secures Classic glory for Heffernan
...
Full result
1 Anthony Van Dyck
2 Madhmoon
3 Japan
4 Broome
5 Sir Dragonet
6 Circus Maximus
7 Humanitarian
8 Norway
9 Line Of Duty
10 Sovereign
11 Hiroshima
12 Bangkok
13 Telecaster
https://www.racingpost.com/news/derby-d ... ien/383536

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:02 pm
by Mylute
Worth noting that the BCJ Turf has produced the last two Epsom Derby winners, a Preakness winner, and a Travers and Belmont Derby winner. Also worth noting not a single one of them hit the board in the race (Catholic Boy might've been fourth IIRC).

Also produced several KD runners, like My Boy Jack, Flameaway, etc.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:07 pm
by Flanders
Mylute wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:56 pm
Anthony Van Dyck fought his way through the pack of horses, found an opening on the rail, and fought hard to win.
For pedigree enthusiasts, he is descended from MG1SW November Snow, who I'm fairly sure was Storm Cat's first G1SW.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:44 am
by ThreeMustangs
Starine wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:31 pm
ThreeMustangs wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 6:55 pm
Starine wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 8:22 pm
That Persian King sure is a looker. It will be interesting to see if he makes his next start again at a mile or steps up in distance.
He’s running in the Prix Du Jockey Club on Sunday.
Thanks. And now I hear Zarkallani, the recent maiden winner out of Zarkava, is likely to run:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ench-derby
I think Zarkallani beat maybe one or two horses. They threw him in the deep end too soon.

Re: Across the pond

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:46 pm
by Starine
ThreeMustangs wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:44 am
I think Zarkallani beat maybe one or two horses. They threw him in the deep end too soon.
It would appear so.

Sottsass was impressive though. And I hadn't realized he was the younger brother of Sistercharlie! What a nice producer Starlet's Sister has turned out to be.