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Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:13 pm
by lurkey mclurker
I wonder what Mr Takatoshi Iwanami thinks of this colt, and definitely am curious about his temperament too! 8-)

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:25 am
by tachyon
lurkey mclurker wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:13 pm
I wonder what Mr Takatoshi Iwanami thinks of this colt, and definitely am curious about his temperament too! 8-)
Takatoshi Iwanami just tweeted on Sunday.

https://twitter.com/TAKATOSHI_Gship/sta ... 0757692417

''Thanks for all your support :D :D Satono Gold came home safe. :D :D ''

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:27 pm
by peeptoad
Satono Gold is a nice-looking animal.... be interesting to see what he looks like after he greys out more, although this snapshot in time would be nice if it was frozen. :)

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:43 pm
by Retrospectiv
Palace Malice wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:37 pm
Does anyone know what happened to @LongBallToNoOne twitter account? :?

He was my #1 source for horse racing in Japan and I miss reading his posts. :(

If anyone can recommend another good twitter source about horse racing in Japan, I'm taking!
He's back. Fresh tweet today of this lovely 2yr old lunatic.......

https://twitter.com/LongBallToNoOne/sta ... 1977073666

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:03 pm
by FlyToTheStars
Very studdish colt! :shock:

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:10 pm
by Mylute
I'm guessing a filly was in heat around?

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:38 pm
by lurkey mclurker
The biggest surprise was that the colt, Grosser Bar, is by Harbinger (GB) and *not* Gold Ship. :lol:

I'm guessing he'll have two handlers the next time out... finished 8th this time.

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:33 pm
by Retrospectiv
lurkey mclurker wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:38 pm
The biggest surprise was that the colt, Grosser Bar, is by Harbinger (GB) and *not* Gold Ship. :lol:

I'm guessing he'll have two handlers the next time out... finished 8th this time.
He'd have an apt. lined up for tomorrow to be minus two things if I owned that dangerous little sh*t....
From what I tried to translate on another tweet, this was his 1st start I think.

This is how he continued to act once he was on the track.....!

https://twitter.com/MtUETu9KN8NjKmz/sta ... 6227091456

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:33 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
He'd have an apt. lined up for tomorrow to be minus two things if I owned that dangerous little sh*t....

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that. With all due respect to Japanese racing, I've seen behavior from some of their racehorses that would not be tolerated elsewhere. :oops:
Gold Ship's antics at the gate may have endeared him to some fans, who speak fondly of his 'spirit,' but IMHO most American/Euro trainers have little patience with such repeated unprofessional and dangerous behavior.
Notorious for his constant on-track erections, Lani came close to killing a stall handler in Dubai with some hard, high back leg kicks; he was trying to hit someone.
Even with his breeding, I'm pretty sure American connections would have gelded him. Or at least done some serious 'behavior modification' with him.

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:06 pm
by Mylute
Quick question about studdish behavior, especially in the younger guys.

Is there any known causes or "triggers" for this rearing up/erection/bucking stud behavior in a situation where there aren't any mares or fillies in heat around? Or is it just an individual colt thing?

It appears like this behavior isn't an every racing day phenomenon (based on how people react to it).

Also, I notice this boy has a *red ribbon* on his tail.

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:32 pm
by BaroqueAgain1
If he's headed out to his first race already wearing a red warning ribbon on his tail, that tells me that his bad behavior isn't a new thing for him. Which also tells me that his connections know he's a testosterone-brained butthead, but are putting up with it. :roll:
Not cool.

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:41 pm
by lurkey mclurker
Well, it was a newcomer race for 2yr olds... and he *just* turned two in April. I'm not condoning his behavior, but there's a huge difference between the traditional red-ribbon horse (which usually denotes a kicker or horse who doesn't like to be crowded) and what we're seeing here. From the reactions of the handlers on the ground in the paddock, as well as the gate crew, it doesn't seem (IMO) that they expected that sort of extreme from him.

He had to pass a gate test too, to start, so clearly at some point he had been taught how to behave. And just as clearly, he'll need a lot of continued training - I wouldn't be surprised if he's required to pass another gate test before he's allowed another start.

(FWIW, Shadai owns him, and bred him. Also IMO that rider deserved hazard pay!)

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:37 pm
by Mylute
Turns out, our hormone-riddled friend is aptly named.

Grosser Bar is German for "Big Bear".

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:49 pm
by Northport
Retrospectiv wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:33 pm
lurkey mclurker wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:38 pm
The biggest surprise was that the colt, Grosser Bar, is by Harbinger (GB) and *not* Gold Ship. :lol:

I'm guessing he'll have two handlers the next time out... finished 8th this time.
He'd have an apt. lined up for tomorrow to be minus two things if I owned that dangerous little sh*t....
From what I tried to translate on another tweet, this was his 1st start I think.

This is how he continued to act once he was on the track.....!

https://twitter.com/MtUETu9KN8NjKmz/sta ... 6227091456
I'd take a miracle for a top Japanese operation to geld one of their colts. Even in races open to older horses, you'll see 5, 6, 7, 8 year olds male horses running, and they're all intact stallions.

All the other lil boys in that video are so well behaved, they're just like "ho hum, what's the deal with that guy?" also full credit to the jockey for staying on, he definitely knows the procedure for riding a rearer.

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:11 am
by tachyon
I have been watching horse racings both in Japan and in the US for many years.
But I don't have a view that Japanese horses are less disciplined than North American horses on average.
There are some exceptional cases of course.
And some tweets can easily dramatize them and send wrong signals to the followers.

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:16 am
by Squeaky
All bad behavior aside, it is amazing how agile he is to walk so far on his hind legs? Reminded me of the Lippizaners. .

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:27 am
by MySaladDays
I just want to express my sympathy to eveyrone in Japan, and to all thoroughbred fans the world over, about the death of Deep Impact.

He was still so young

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... dead-at-17

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:11 pm
by tachyon
Arrow Hamakiyo(JPN), the oldest thoroughbred in Japan, died at the age of 40 at Suetoshi Farm on August 3rd 2019. :(

@suetoshi2
https://twitter.com/suetoshi2/status/11 ... 4779808768

Arrow Hamakiyo(JPN) : 1979H(G?). Arrow Express(JPN) x Sarong(FR) by Traffic(USA)
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0000116241/

He was called ''Charlotte'' after his retirement from racing.

Japan's legendary and triple crown winner Shinzan(JPN) held the previous record (35yo) before Arrow Hamakiyo.

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:26 pm
by Starine
If only they could all be as lucky as "Charlotte." 40 is more than a ripe old age!

Also, Deirdre sure did Japan proud this week. Also very excited to see Harbinger sire a group I winner outside of Japan.

Re: Racing in Japan

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:59 pm
by Mylute
Depending on the status of Roxie's Ringer, who TDN covered last year, "Charlotte" may very well be the longest-lived thoroughbred on record.

EDIT: So Roxie's Ringer, if alive today, is 39. So Charlotte is the longest lived on record regardless.