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Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:23 pm
by Somnambulist
Kentucky Wildcat is the first foal of one of my most favorite mares, Better Lucky. Her entire female family has come through clutch for me at big odds many times. I am hoping for better than 9/2 to the streak continues.

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:04 pm
by Katewerk
stark wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:49 am
The G3 Sam Davis Saturday @ TampaBayDowns

1 Counter Offer (KY) 3/C L A A Gallardo 118 I R Wilkes 12/1
2 Going for Gold (KY) 3/G L J A Bracho 118 R B Hess, Jr. 20/1
3 Knicks Go (MD) 3/CL A Jimenez 124 B Colebrook 5/2
4 Cave Run (KY) 3/CL J L Castanon 118 E G Harty 6/1
5 Moonster (KY) 3/C L S Camacho 118 D L Romans 30/1
6 Kentucky Wildcat (KY) 3/CL J Bravo 118 T Albertrani 9/2
7 Five Star General (KY) 3/CL J L Ortiz 118 A Delacour 4/1
8 So Alive (KY) 3/C L J Castellano 118 T A Pletcher 5/1
9 Well Defined (FL) 3/G L P Morales 122 K O'Connell 8/1
10 Still Dreaming (KY) 3/C L J A Vargas, Jr. 118 H G Motion 15/1
1. Well Defined
2. Kentucky Wildcat
3. late closing So Alive

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:16 pm
by Blame
Somnambulist wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:23 pm
Kentucky Wildcat is the first foal of one of my most favorite mares, Better Lucky. Her entire female family has come through clutch for me at big odds many times. I am hoping for better than 9/2 to the streak continues.
Unfortunately he was vanned off. Hopefully things are ok.

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:19 pm
by Sparrow Castle
I posted an update in the 3 year old thread. Instability in knee.

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:23 pm
by Blame
Sparrow Castle wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:19 pm
I posted an update in the 3 year old thread. Instability in knee.
Thanks.

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:06 pm
by stark
From Jay Hovdey-DRF

One of the glaring holes in the Kentucky Derby eligibility system is on full display this weekend when the Sam Davis Stakes at Tampa Bay on Saturday affords ambitious 3-year-olds a chance to earn 17 points toward Derby participation, while the San Vicente Stakes on Sunday at Santa Anita offers zero.

The difference, if a face-value explanation is worth anything, comes down to the distance of each race. The Grade 3 Sam Davis, first run in 1981, is at a mile and one-sixteenth. The Grade 2 San Vicente, sorry to say, has been a seven-furlong race since 1955.

It makes sense that two-turn races should carry more weight in the Kentucky Derby debate as the first Saturday in May approaches. However, to eliminate every graded race at less than one-mile – as the points system has done – is to meddle in the actual management of potential classic runners and to play havoc with the stakes programs of major tracks. Owners and trainers end up spending races in a quest for points rather than in what they might decide is a more sensible progression of steps toward Churchill Downs and beyond. As a result, an historically significant event like the San Vicente becomes marginalized.

Synthesis, Kent Desormeaux, 6-1;
Coliseum, Mike Smith, 6-5;
Dessman, Flavien Prat, 5-2;
Sparky Ville, Joel Rosario, 4-1;
Savagery, Heriberto Figueroa, 4-1.

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:51 pm
by stark
Anybody buy-in?

Here are the final odds of Kentucky Derby Pool No. 2.
1. Bourbon War, 31-1
2. Coliseum, 22-1
3. Game Winner 5-1
4. Global Campaign 22-1
5. Gray Attempt 99-1
6. Gunmetal Gray 34-1
7. Harvey Wallbanger 28-1
8. Hidden Scroll 7-1
9. Improbable 7-1
10. Instagrand 10-1
11. Knicks Go 78-1
12. Limonite 60-1
13. Maximus Mischief 38-1
14. Mucho Gusto 23-1
15. Network Effect 40-1
16. Owendale 99-1
17. Signalman 28-1
18. Tacitus 96-1
19. Tax 63-1
20. Vekoma 43-1
21. Walking Thunder 99-1
22. War of Will 17-1
23. Win Win Win 35-1
24. Mutuel Field/All others 5-2

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:29 pm
by peeptoad
stark wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:51 pm
Anybody buy-in?
Nnnnnnnnnope!

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:33 pm
by stark
Proud of you! ;)

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:18 pm
by BigDonOKC
stark wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:33 pm
Proud of you! ;)
I find it more fun to cash them :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:34 pm
by stark
BigDonOKC wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:18 pm
stark wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:33 pm
Proud of you! ;)
I find it more fun to cash them :lol: :lol: :lol:
Which ones did you find to be a good enough price to bet on, I hope not Coliseum?

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:44 am
by Pirateena
stark wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:51 pm
Anybody buy-in?
I did the first and the sire pool. Missed this one, tho, darn it.

Anybody else doing the WinStar Fantasy Derby? I came close in the free section last year (7th); this year I'm at about the same place I was this time last year, including that I've already lost one (Kentucky Wildcat; last year it was Mourinho).

--BrawnsMom

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:30 am
by BigDonOKC
stark wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:34 pm
BigDonOKC wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:18 pm
stark wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:33 pm
Proud of you! ;)
I find it more fun to cash them :lol: :lol: :lol:
Which ones did you find to be a good enough price to bet on, I hope not Coliseum?
Harvey Wallbanger 20/1 :geek:

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:09 am
by peeptoad
My two past futures were Pioneer of the Nile (not bad considering I made the bet the December prior) and some unknown horse that never made the gate.
The End.

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:38 am
by stark
Good luck.
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Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:40 am
by stark
peeptoad wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:09 am
My two past futures were Pioneer of the Nile (not bad considering I made the bet the December prior) and some unknown horse that never made the gate.
The End.
I had Sunday Silence at 50/1 in 1989 the one and only Derby I attended live.
Been trying to recreate history ever since :lol:

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:20 pm
by stark
Race 12 @ Fairgrounds today The Risen Star 50-20-10-5

1 Plus Que Parfait (KY) 3/R L J R Leparoux 122 B P Walsh 10/1
2 Roiland (KY) 3/C L J Graham 122T M Amoss 20/1
3 Mr. Money (KY) 3/CL G Saez 122W B Calhoun 12/1
4 Chase the Ghost (KY) 3/CL M Murrill 122D Stewart 30/1
5 Henley's Joy (KY) 3/CL M Franco 122M J Maker 10/1
6 Hog Creek Hustle (KY) 3/C L F Geroux 122 V L Foley 8/1
7 Manny Wah (KY) 3/C L C Hill 122 W M Catalano 12/1
8 Owendale (KY) 3/C L S Bridgmohan 122 B H Cox 6/1
9 Country House (KY) Owner Link 3/CL L Saez 122 W I Mott 20/1
10 Limonite (KY) 3/C L B J Hernandez, Jr. 122 S M Asmussen 10/1
11 Dunph (KY) 3/G L J L Ortiz 122 M J Maker 20/1
12 Frolic More (KY) 3/CL C J Lanerie 122D Stewart 10/1
SCR Kingly (KY) ------------------------------------Scratched------------------------------------- 12/1
14 War of Will (KY) 3/CL T Gaffalione 122M E Casse 5/2
15 Gun It (KY) 3/C L R Santana, Jr. 122 S M Asmussen 10/1

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:28 pm
by stark
Going from the 11 hole in the LeCompte Stakes to the rail post today has to be worth something, I'll try Plus Que Parfait today. 10/1 looks juicy.

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:58 pm
by Diver52
I know it translates as "More Than Perfect," but it also brings back memories of learning French grammar! The plusque parfait is a verb tense--IIRC, the one that corresponds to "I had visited, I had seen," etc. 8-)

Re: 2019 derby prep races.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:46 pm
by Curtis
Diver52 wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:58 pm
I know it translates as "More Than Perfect," but it also brings back memories of learning French grammar! The plusque parfait is a verb tense--IIRC, the one that corresponds to "I had visited, I had seen," etc. 8-)
Way back when there was a horse that ran in so. CA—he was pretty good on the turf, if memory serves—named El Rojo Diablo or in English, The Devil Red.