2019 Kentucky Derby

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Sun May 05, 2019 11:35 am

luvsgeldings wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 11:33 am
just heard something interesting on local SoCal TB radio show - someone wondering if maybe they could have left the winning horse up in the Derby and just penalize the jock for the ride.
That would have been far worse.
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Sun May 05, 2019 11:37 am

has there ever been rulings like that in racing? I can't say I can think of any that's for sure.
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Sun May 05, 2019 11:37 am

stark wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 10:59 am
stark wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 8:50 am
Beyer figures for Maximum Security of 101, Country House 99 in Derby
Turn the clock ahead to next year, whenever "we" discuss winning Beyer numbers for the Derby, which # will it be?
that's what the asterisk is for.
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Sun May 05, 2019 11:45 am

Somnambulist wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 11:30 am
Spahny wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 11:26 am
I left the game for good last night but then felt better this morning so I decided to come back. Just thought the world needed to know.
:D

I think I need to see a G1 walkover now just so I can say I've seen everything. I feel rejuvinated about this game for the first time in about a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbHpy61bTk
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun May 05, 2019 11:48 am

NYRA bets got a new customer today. No apology from Xpressbets or even a statement over not being able to deposit money within an hour of the Derby yesterday.

That might be the biggest story of all..
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:09 pm

Casual fans along with spouses of serious fans ready to turn the page,
next.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:15 pm

Spahny wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 11:35 am
luvsgeldings wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 11:33 am
just heard something interesting on local SoCal TB radio show - someone wondering if maybe they could have left the winning horse up in the Derby and just penalize the jock for the ride.
That would have been far worse.
Actually happens quite a bit, serious gamblers are in favor of it.
When the suspension is given out without taking the horse down it usually comes along with an explanation that a foul was committed, but the stewards did not think it changed the outcome of the race.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Somnambulist wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 11:48 am
NYRA bets got a new customer today. No apology from Xpressbets or even a statement over not being able to deposit money within an hour of the Derby yesterday.

That might be the biggest story of all..
Twinspires is refunding bets on MS up to $10. Is CDI throwing the stewards under the bus? Or is it just a publicity stunt?
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:21 pm

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Twinspires is refunding bets on MS up to $10. Is CDI throwing the stewards under the bus? Or is it just a publicity stunt?
I think this is very, very good customer service. They know this is controversial and getting even something back makes very unhappy people slightly happier. It's best to get out in front of it.
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:22 pm

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I think if Saez would had a old whip he could have control his mount more
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:22 pm

Somnambulist wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 12:21 pm
ThreeMustangs wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 12:18 pm
Twinspires is refunding bets on MS up to $10. Is CDI throwing the stewards under the bus? Or is it just a publicity stunt?
I think this is very, very good customer service. They know this is controversial and getting even something back makes very unhappy people slightly happier. It's best to get out in front of it.
Probably the same people in charge who insist on passing out participation trophies in Little League, don't want to hurt any feelings!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:30 pm

The find of my life:
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:31 pm

I admittedly don't understand the fervor over who claimed foul and who didn't, but here's an article clearing a lot of that up: https://www.drf.com/news/preview/countr ... ness?type=
The connections of War of Will did not claim foul. Trainer Mark Casse said he and jockey Tyler Gaffalione briefly considered claiming foul but elected not to since it wouldn’t have gained them a spot in the top three.


The stewards did not post the inquiry sign on their own. Casse said he believes stewards should post inquiries and not put riders in the position of claiming foul against their colleagues.


“I would say if there was any mistake yesterday – and I have to say, I have the highest respect for the stewards – it was the inquiry sign should have gone up as soon as they passed the wire,” Casse said. “I was actually kind of surprised it wasn’t up.”
I believe I read somewhere else that the inquiry sign is not automatically posted in some jurisdictions once there is a claim of foul, but I agree that it would have relieved some of the post-race fervor. Gaffalione's reasoning demonstrates how important it is that the stewards take initiative when the jockeys aren't necessarily encouraged to do so.

People have complained a lot about Prat, but I think it was a very savvy decision. He stood to benefit, and he knew the others would be unlikely to lodge foul if they had nothing to gain from it (and no expectation that anything would be done). Had the incident gone entirely uninvestigated, it would have been more harmful in the long run.
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:33 pm

Somnambulist wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 12:21 pm
ThreeMustangs wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 12:18 pm
Twinspires is refunding bets on MS up to $10. Is CDI throwing the stewards under the bus? Or is it just a publicity stunt?
I think this is very, very good customer service. They know this is controversial and getting even something back makes very unhappy people slightly happier. It's best to get out in front of it.

Yeah, agree. Those customers are likely the most casual fans who might not return given a setback of this ilk. Smart move and probably not bone-crushingly expensive.
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:46 pm

Country House's silks remind me of what I believe where Georgica Stable's silks (the only horse I can easily recall running in them is Buy the Sport). I can't even find a replay of the race online to confirm and all my programs are in another location. Is there any connection?
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Sun May 05, 2019 12:58 pm

Also, is anybody else slightly amused at all by the fact that Lookin at Lucky, who had a nightmare trip in his own Kentucky Derby from post position #1 and probably cost him the race, gets his first Kentucky Derby winner due to post position #1 being roughed up. I find it sort of ironic "Lookin At Lucky lost the Derby due to post 1 but got his first derby winner due to post 1"
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Sun May 05, 2019 1:01 pm

CoronadosQuest wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 12:58 pm
Also, is anybody else slightly amused at all by the fact that Lookin at Lucky, who had a nightmare trip in his own Kentucky Derby from post position #1 and probably cost him the race, gets his first Kentucky Derby winner due to post position #1 being roughed up. I find it sort of ironic "Lookin At Lucky lost the Derby due to post 1 but got his first derby winner due to post 1"
IIRC his son Lookin at Lee started from post 1 and got second in 2017.
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Sun May 05, 2019 1:02 pm

https://twitter.com/AHughesNTRA/status/ ... 4417268739
Alicia Wincze Hughes
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More Casse on the decision not to claim foul "Was it unfortunate? Absolutely. But you realize...if I claim foul on my friend, it ruins the biggest accomplishment in his life and the only thing that’s going to do is move me up to sixth. Would you claim foul? No."
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Sun May 05, 2019 1:12 pm

CoronadosQuest wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 1:02 pm
https://twitter.com/AHughesNTRA/status/ ... 4417268739
Alicia Wincze Hughes
@AHughesNTRA
More Casse on the decision not to claim foul "Was it unfortunate? Absolutely. But you realize...if I claim foul on my friend, it ruins the biggest accomplishment in his life and the only thing that’s going to do is move me up to sixth. Would you claim foul? No."
Mr Casse,
What about doing the right thing for the fans?
Doesn't the sport deserve to be bigger than just your friend?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun May 05, 2019 1:19 pm

maybe Casse knew his jock might not be so squeaky clean in this incident - just heard Nick Hines on the radio give some very good points of view on the rides of both Prat and Tyler G - perhaps both of them played a part in this whole thing after all - Hines pointed out some interesting stuff about their rides in that final turn too. so maybe MS wasn't the only one to blame for what went on there.
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