Top Ten Lists 2020 Kentucky Derby

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm

Starine wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:28 pm
stark wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:19 pm
I once read an interview with him and I came away with the impression that's he training all his horses to be Zenyatta. Specifically, telling workout jocks to wait, wait some more than pounce in the lane.
I'm not a trainer, but using a one-size-fits-all approach for all horses seems a bit short-sighted.
It's like saying EddieD was only good on a closer or PVal was only good on a speed horse, obviously both of those rules of thumb are exaggerations. As is the conversation about JohnS training for slow-early,/fast-late is an exaggeration as pointed out by thinair....there was that sprinter 7 years ago that broke his maiden like a rocketship. But I've watched an awful lot of Sherriffs graded stakes stars who are dyed in the wool stone cold deep closers.

Lets start the list with the obvious Zenyatta.
Then there's Giacomo.
And Tiago
Who can forget those memorable stretch runs from Life Is Sweet?
Neko Bay didn't always get up in time, but he was a comin!

Your memory is better than mine, maybe you can remember the early speedsters that won Graded Stakes?.....
Zenyatta
Giacomo
Tiago
Life Is Sweet
Manistique
Hollywood Story
Gormley
Mr. Commons
After Market
Cliquot
Harmonious
Starrer
Proposed
Calkins Road
David Copperfield
Madeo
Radu Cool
Blingo
Stanwyck
Neko Bay
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:41 pm

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:54 pm
Thanks for remembering Mentor Cane, TA. He was such a gorgeous steel grey, and looked like he was about to become a real G1 sprinter when he tragically died suddenly. :(
I loved Mentor Cane. That was crushing when he broke down.
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:44 pm

I see what you're saying.... but Cliquot! There's a name I haven't heard in a very long time.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:35 pm

Well the good news is that Honor A.P. is back jogging - more x-rays proved negative. So, I guess if he doesn't have any further setbacks, he's ok to proceed...
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:13 pm

Friday update from Jon White....
“Honor A.P., who missed the Sham when all was not well, debuts on the Top 10 this week following a positive update on the 3-year-old’s status by Ed Golden in last Saturday’s Santa Anita stable notes. Golden wrote: ‘Trainer John Shirreffs reports X-rays were negative on Honor A.P. after he was ‘off in his right front’ causing him to miss the Jan. 4. Sham Stakes, but the son of Honor Code is back jogging. ‘Maybe he wrenched it,’ the trainer speculated.
“In Honor A.P.'s first career start, he finished a fast-closing second in a six-furlong maiden race at Del Mar last Aug. 17. He then won a one-mile maiden race in front-running fashion by 5 1/4 lengths at Santa Anita on Oct. 13 in his most recent start.

1. Storm the Court (1)
2. Dennis’ Moment (2)
3. Thousand Words (3)
4. Honor A.P. (NR)
5. Maxfield (4)
6. Tiz the Law (5)
7. Authentic (6)
8. Independence Hall (7)
9. Untitled (10)
10. Anneau d’Or (9)
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:52 am

stark wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm
Your memory is better than mine, maybe you can remember the early speedsters that won Graded Stakes?....
Great memory, Stark, this list is very good.

stark wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:19 pm
I once read an interview with him and I came away with the impression that's he training all his horses to be Zenyatta. Specifically, telling workout jocks to wait, wait some more than pounce in the lane.
Somehow, I think JS knows that all horses aren't zenyatta, she had a unique ability that many do not have.....she was a fast sprinter which showed up in her earlier races.......and then turned out she could go long. She pretty much "sprinted past" horses in the deep stretch........

She HAD that speed, and was able to hold it in abeyance. until needed. This is one of the signature talents of a high class classic distance horse.

Anyway, it would be sort of ridiculous to think JS doesn't know the difference between horses who have this ability and those who do not. :)
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:39 am

Nadal out of nowhere vaults into the #3 slot....

“Here are this week’s Kentucky Derby rankings, courtesy of Xpressbet:
1. Storm the Court (1)
2. Dennis’ Moment (2)
3. Nadal (NR)
4. Honor A.P. (4)
5. Thousand Words (3)
6. Maxfield (5)
7. Tiz the Law (6)
8. Authentic (7)
9. Independence Hall (8)
10. Untitled (9)
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:53 am

I have a feeling this is gonna be another "weird" edition of the Derby.
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:16 pm

Gold Street wins the Smarty Jones at Oaklawn in the mud
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:29 pm

Hmmmmm.


Kentucky Derby 2020 to debut new 20-horse starting gate



https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/ ... _gate_123#
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:01 pm

ThreeMustangs wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:29 pm
Hmmmmm.


Kentucky Derby 2020 to debut new 20-horse starting gate



https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/ ... _gate_123#
Other than cost, is there any downside to this?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:21 pm

Having watched my favourites two years in a row get mugged due to that auxiliary gate I'm traumatised and will welcome the lack of PTSD this year :lol:
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:00 am

stark wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:13 pm
Friday update from Jon White....
“Honor A.P., who missed the Sham when all was not well, debuts on the Top 10 this week following a positive update on the 3-year-old’s status by Ed Golden in last Saturday’s Santa Anita stable notes. Golden wrote: ‘Trainer John Shirreffs reports X-rays were negative on Honor A.P. after he was ‘off in his right front’ causing him to miss the Jan. 4. Sham Stakes, but the son of Honor Code is back jogging. ‘Maybe he wrenched it,’ the trainer speculated.
“In Honor A.P.'s first career start, he finished a fast-closing second in a six-furlong maiden race at Del Mar last Aug. 17. He then won a one-mile maiden race in front-running fashion by 5 1/4 lengths at Santa Anita on Oct. 13 in his most recent start.

1. Storm the Court (1)
2. Dennis’ Moment (2)
3. Thousand Words (3)
4. Honor A.P. (NR)
5. Maxfield (4)
6. Tiz the Law (5)
7. Authentic (6)
8. Independence Hall (7)
9. Untitled (10)
10. Anneau d’Or (9)
Nice list. I'm a huge fan of walsh and am hoping for Maxfield to make the gate, but I usually don't use horses who have had any kind of setbacks and he's a bit behind on the worktab now. As for Tiz the Law, not into him at all for the KY Derby. There will be some good horses coming out of Oaklawn this year, they aren't on any lists yet.
I pretyy much go to the track every day, so don't have much time for forums during Oaklawn meet, will check back in before the Derby. Lot of muddy track lately, we are in that time of year here, and whoever is making the M/L has been a little "off" lately.......but weekend was gorgeous, and Sat got almost 23,000 people with nothing "really special" going on.....but it's still pretty chilly this time of year and we southerners don't much care for that....but this is a die-hard racing town, people actually GO to the track so even before the expansion 25-30k people on a sat isn't that unusual. I think the rebel weekend will be pretty packed, I'm gonna "guess" about 35K.......
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Nice list. I'm a huge fan of walsh and am hoping for Maxfield to make the gate, but I usually don't use horses who have had any kind of setbacks and he's a bit behind on the worktab now. As for Tiz the Law, not into him at all for the KY Derby. There will be some good horses coming out of Oaklawn this year, they aren't on any lists yet.
I pretyy much go to the track every day, so don't have much time for forums during Oaklawn meet, will check back in before the Derby. Lot of muddy track lately, we are in that time of year here, and whoever is making the M/L has been a little "off" lately.......but weekend was gorgeous, and Sat got almost 23,000 people with nothing "really special" going on.....but it's still pretty chilly this time of year and we southerners don't much care for that....but this is a die-hard racing town, people actually GO to the track so even before the expansion 25-30k people on a sat isn't that unusual. I think the rebel weekend will be pretty packed, I'm gonna "guess" about 35K.......
Oaklawn is a great track. When I lived within driving distance, I'd go to Hot Springs all the time. Not just for the races, but also for the long-departed I.Q. Zoo:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/iq-zoo-arkansas
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:38 pm

1. Charlatan

Don't like the rest so far. Sole Volante seems pretty good. Nadal did not impress me one bit. Charlatan ran a faster 6F being geared down.
Rock Hard Ten. Free House. Soul Of The Matter. Lit de Justice. Zenyatta. Justify. Cigar. Ghostzapper. Lava Man. Silver Charm.
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:39 am

Charlatan isn't even pointed for the Derby. He's a Sprinter.
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:47 am

CHARLATAN JOINS BAFFERT’S TRIPLE CROWN BRIGADE

Bob Baffert unleashed another dazzling three-year-old from his seemingly infinite band of blueblood buzz saws when he sent out Charlatan to capture his debut race Sunday, scoring by 5 ¾ lengths under Drayden Van Dyke in 1:08.85 for six furlongs, an eye-opening clocking on a track that has been playing seconds slower through the first 26 days of the Winter Meet.

“We knew he was a really fast horse,” Baffert said Monday morning of the $700,000 son of 2004 Breeders’ Cup Sprint winner and Eclipse champion Speightstown, who had two bullet works among his 12 recorded drills prior to his debut.

“His gate works were very impressive,” Baffert said. “He worked one 12 and two from the gate (on Jan. 22) with an older horse and that tipped them off, but I thought he still might need one. He still looks a little soft, and until they run, you don’t know, but he was pretty impressive.”

Asked his read on his three-year-old crop to date, which includes first division Triple Crown sophomores Nadal, Thousand Words and Authentic, the two-time Triple Crown winner opted to play his cards close to the vest, as is his wont.

“You know what? Right now, I’m still not talking about it too much,” he said. “I’ve got to figure out where I’m going to run them. Everybody keeps asking me every day, ‘What are you going to do?’ I know what I’m going to do, but only I know.

https://www.santaanita.com/stable-notes ... kwGgShKjIU
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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