horses with unique coloring/facial markings

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Mylute
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:42 pm

Found another blonde chestnut in Taylor Made's FT New York consignment. He's also by Orb and out of stakes winner Ice Cool Kitty (Tomorrow's Cat). He sold for $35K I believe.

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Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:30 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:25 pm
That is his dam. What an odd statement.

Allanglos, I'm not sure why that qualifies as "an odd statement." Here in the States, if you see a TB foal with a chunky buckskin mare, that mare is usually a nurse mare. Most TB breeders here don't breed for color like that.
Now, instead of being just odd, you are being rude. Quality like this doesn't come by selecting for just one trait.
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:17 pm

I don't know why I'm being misunderstood, but my comment had nothing to do with his quality, his genetics or even his color. Which I'm sure are all quite good and I meant no insult to either the colt or his dam.
I just said that, in the US, mares who look like that buckskin (and it was a bit hard to get a good handle on her conformation from that small photo) with a TB foal are often nurse mares. IMHO, it's not rude to make that observation. :roll:
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:32 pm

With respect, allanglos, BA has been a respected poster here for quite awhile. You're new, so perhaps you misinterpreted the comment, as tone can be hard to discern online sometimes. Not all posters are highly knowledgeable about genetics, and the mare has quite the post-baby belly. It's not like BA's perception that the mare might be a nurse mare is some notion out of the blue - when foaling season comes around it's unfortunately something that happens and we usually mention it when we share info.

You might have noticed that when we link horses in the thread, we try to provide pedigree info as much as we can, which could also help, and/or a link to where the pics or photos originated.
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:50 pm

lurkey mclurker wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:32 pm
With respect, allanglos, BA has been a respected poster here for quite awhile. You're new, so perhaps you misinterpreted the comment, as tone can be hard to discern online sometimes. Not all posters are highly knowledgeable about genetics, and the mare has quite the post-baby belly. It's not like BA's perception that the mare might be a nurse mare is some notion out of the blue - when foaling season comes around it's unfortunately something that happens and we usually mention it when we share info.

You might have noticed that when we link horses in the thread, we try to provide pedigree info as much as we can, which could also help, and/or a link to where the pics or photos originated.
yeah, this. not all posters know everything - that's why we're here, to help teach. that's why i told another poster to out anyone they thought was dying hair, since i have never heard of it and if it's happening, i don't trust those ppl to not doctor other, more serious things. that'd be them teaching me.

BA was making an observation from her point of view, and while she didn't state it, i took it as "i'm open to corrections and additional info if available".
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:55 pm

Thoroughbred race horse owners and trainers care nothing about color. They want speed and toughness.

But I still like seeing a successful, colorful race horse, like the white race horses in Japan.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:47 am

Just stumbled across this (apparently) Thoroughbred stallion in Queensland Australia though I have never heard of his sire Gold Bold And Rich (USA) before or much in the sireline so maybe someone can help me out

https://www.bloodstockauction.com/sales ... talogue/73
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:47 am

RugbyGirl wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:47 am
Just stumbled across this (apparently) Thoroughbred stallion in Queensland Australia though I have never heard of his sire Gold Bold And Rich (USA) before or much in the sireline so maybe someone can help me out

https://www.bloodstockauction.com/sales ... talogue/73
This was the only place I found that describes Milkie's past. But he was a palomino thoroughbred born from a bay sire and a brown dam. That line is mostly used for hunters and color breeders, not racing.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/fhotd64 ... 5-s10.html

As you can see from this page, the sire, Gold Bold N Rich is just bred for color imo.
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gold+bold+n+rich
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RugbyGirl wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:47 am
Just stumbled across this (apparently) Thoroughbred stallion in Queensland Australia though I have never heard of his sire Gold Bold And Rich (USA) before or much in the sireline so maybe someone can help me out

https://www.bloodstockauction.com/sales ... talogue/73
He is very pretty! I like his belly spot.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:41 pm

Flanders wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:47 am
RugbyGirl wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:47 am
Just stumbled across this (apparently) Thoroughbred stallion in Queensland Australia though I have never heard of his sire Gold Bold And Rich (USA) before or much in the sireline so maybe someone can help me out

https://www.bloodstockauction.com/sales ... talogue/73
This was the only place I found that describes Milkie's past. But he was a palomino thoroughbred born from a bay sire and a brown dam. That line is mostly used for hunters and color breeders, not racing.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/fhotd64 ... 5-s10.html

As you can see from this page, the sire, Gold Bold N Rich is just bred for color imo.
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gold+bold+n+rich
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Also I just want to point out:
Guaranteed Gold was foaled in 1998.
Gold Bayou was foaled in 2004, in his sire's 3rd crop.
Gold Bold n Rich was foaled in 2009. He was also from his sire's 3rd crop, as Gold Bayou started his stud career at age 2.
Gold Fury was foaled in 2015 from his sire's 2nd crop.
Gold Fury is being advertised at stud for 2019...get the picture? Apparently despite hundreds of these palomino pasture ornaments running around nowadays being a pretty color is enough to make a TB worthy of standing at stud.
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:31 pm

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:09 am

RugbyGirl wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:31 pm
Pic of a foal from Swettenham Stud
https://mobile.twitter.com/Racing/statu ... 5724809217
Twitter reply says he's by Highland Reel.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:14 pm

Mylute wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:09 am
RugbyGirl wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:31 pm
Pic of a foal from Swettenham Stud
https://mobile.twitter.com/Racing/statu ... 5724809217
Twitter reply says he's by Highland Reel.
I know I'm the one that asked :lol:
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:49 am

Logician, who just won the St. Leger, is registered as roan. But isn’t it impossible for Tbreds to be roan? Or is it just a registry thing and he’s not actually a true roan?
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ThreeMustangs wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:49 am
Logician, who just won the St. Leger, is registered as roan. But isn’t it impossible for Tbreds to be roan? Or is it just a registry thing and he’s not actually a true roan?
Looks gray to me.
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:40 pm

I would think it's a registry thing, since greys in the US are registered grey/roan (gr/r) but unless something has been discovered recently afaik modern TBs don't have it currently in the gene pool.
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ThreeMustangs wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:49 am
Logician, who just won the St. Leger, is registered as roan. But isn’t it impossible for Tbreds to be roan? Or is it just a registry thing and he’s not actually a true roan?
Its just a registry thing. I'm not sure if it is impossible anymore, there have been some true roans that have come from the Catch A Bird line in Australia but I believe that is the only line that produces roans.

Wetherbys even says in their rules on allowed colors "Roan: most thoroughbreds who appear to be roan are in the transition period of going grey"

https://www.weatherbys.co.uk/Weatherbys ... ooklet.pdf
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ThreeMustangs wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:49 am
Logician, who just won the St. Leger, is registered as roan. But isn’t it impossible for Tbreds to be roan? Or is it just a registry thing and he’s not actually a true roan?
He's grey, not roan. Dam is grey, dam sire is grey, etc etc etc.

Believed roan exists in one single mutated line with only a few known horses.
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Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:55 pm

In the UK/Ireland it's usually the 'reddish' greys (chestnut or bay as base colour) that are registered as grey or roan, and the 'normal' greys are just registered as grey.
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