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Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:17 pm
by Treve
Summer Bird wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:13 pm
Treve wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:09 pm
Summer Bird wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:02 pm


That’s another one that I took care of too on the farm. So happy that both the Pharoahs the farm bred did so well.
Congrats Summer Bird that's amazing! I can't imagine how thrilled you must be! Were they always this sweet as babies?

The filly was actually quite spooky, but her mom isn’t the friendliest so it made sense why she didn’t warm up to people too much. I think she got better as a yearling. Her Candy Ride sister happens to be really sweet (go figure). The Escampette colt was very sweet, but he had a very cocky attitude sometimes :lol:
Well he's allowed to be, his Daddy won the triple crown, dontcha know!? :lol:
It definitely brings interesting notions about nature vs nurture though.

As a side note I was curious to see how the Pioneerof the Niles were selling considering it will be one of his penultimate crops, and I just saw the Stage Magic colt by him RNA'd at 950 000$ which feels kinda like a publicity stunt.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:49 pm
by Mylute
What do you mean by "feels like a publicity stunt"? Genuinely curious.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:11 pm
by Treve
Mylute wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:49 pm
What do you mean by "feels like a publicity stunt"? Genuinely curious.
If the reserve was that high, then it looks like they weren't actually willing to sell and part with the colt. I mean it could be that they genuinely decided they wouldn't let him go for less than a million, but it's impossible to know where the reserve actual was.
Also not possible to know where the live money stopped. So then, why run the colt through the sale at all? Well normally when a yearling RNA's that high it gets people talking, possibly other buyers interested in approaching and settling via a private treaty etc. It can draw attention to the colt as well as the mare and the connections. I'm not gonna go as far as to say it's childish attention-seeking behaviour - so instead I'd like to think it has some sort of motive in terms of commercial perspective, ergo a publicity stunt.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:32 pm
by CorridorZ75
I would think a not small portion of the upper market end are "publicity stunts" under that definition. ;)

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:41 pm
by KatieK101
Treve wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:11 pm
Mylute wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:49 pm
What do you mean by "feels like a publicity stunt"? Genuinely curious.
If the reserve was that high, then it looks like they weren't actually willing to sell and part with the colt. I mean it could be that they genuinely decided they wouldn't let him go for less than a million, but it's impossible to know where the reserve actual was.
Also not possible to know where the live money stopped. So then, why run the colt through the sale at all? Well normally when a yearling RNA's that high it gets people talking, possibly other buyers interested in approaching and settling via a private treaty etc. It can draw attention to the colt as well as the mare and the connections. I'm not gonna go as far as to say it's childish attention-seeking behaviour - so instead I'd like to think it has some sort of motive in terms of commercial perspective, ergo a publicity stunt.
In a recent article about Littleprincessemma and Stage Magic, his owner (I can’t recall her name atm) mentioned that they were almost hoping he would RNA so that they wouldn’t have to let him go.

I was curious to see if this colt would sell, because Justify’s half-brother by Will Take Charge was an RNA last year as well — although his final bid was somewhere in the seven-figures.

Not sure I would call it a publicly stunt, but I’m very curious as to what their reserve prices were.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:41 pm
by mariasmon
I think there's a not-insignificant number of top end yearlings (particularly colts) brought to the sale because the owners are looking for partners more than to actually sell them.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:56 pm
by CorridorZ75
For that matter, if Coolmore was the underbidder of the Leslie's Lady filly, then they may have been bidding Pope up, knowing that she was good to go as high as they wanted, because it was good advertisement for their stallion. Not to mention, that breeding was given to Clarkland for free if I recall so they might have already owned a piece of the filly anyway.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:47 am
by KatieK101
CorridorZ75 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:56 pm
For that matter, if Coolmore was the underbidder of the Leslie's Lady filly, then they may have been bidding Pope up, knowing that she was good to go as high as they wanted, because it was good advertisement for their stallion. Not to mention, that breeding was given to Clarkland for free if I recall so they might have already owned a piece of the filly anyway.
Yes, the breeding was free. Clarkland was originally going to breed her to Not This Time, but when they received the free season they obviously took it.

Would Coolmore really need to upbid so high to get AP some publicity? He seems to be doing just fine without their help 😂

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:50 am
by Northport
How did Clarkland end up with a free breeding to American Pharoah?

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:08 am
by Mylute
Northport wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:50 am
How did Clarkland end up with a free breeding to American Pharoah?
Maybe the breeding was offered to Leslie's Lady specifically.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:37 am
by KatieK101
Mylute wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:08 am
Northport wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:50 am
How did Clarkland end up with a free breeding to American Pharoah?
Maybe the breeding was offered to Leslie's Lady specifically.
Less certain about this, but I want to say that it was offered to LL specifically. It’s been a couple years since I read the article, but LL has always been a big favorite of mine.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:47 pm
by Mylute
Leslie's Lady has produced great runners/producers from three different sires. Into Mischief is by Harlan's Holiday, Beholder is by Henny Hughes, and Coolmore's own Mendelssohn is by their own Scat Daddy. She is not a one trick, or should I say "one mating partner", pony. A baby produced from she and Pharoah would be worth megabux, especially if the baby is a filly, and the megabux at the sales would make daddy look good.

It would *make sense* (for lack of better wording) for Coolmore to say "Hey...wanna breed your blue hen to Pharoah for FWEE?! :) :) :)"

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:56 pm
by Mylute
Colt by Chrome out of Sacred Forest (family of Sinister Minister) goes for $40K.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:27 am
by Delamont
I admit that I do not get why some horses sell at the prices they do. The hip # 1302 Candy Ride colt sold for 4k...did they not like his looks, breeding, presentation?

Also, is there a way of looking up a horse once it's racing to see the original sale price?

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:45 am
by mariasmon
Delamont wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:27 am
I admit that I do not get why some horses sell at the prices they do. The hip # 1302 Candy Ride colt sold for 4k...did they not like his looks, breeding, presentation?

Also, is there a way of looking up a horse once it's racing to see the original sale price?
You can see their auction price(s) in the auction tab in their Equibase profile.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:38 pm
by Ridan_Remembered
Mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it could help boost Chrome's early stallion career. On the other hand...BB. Sigh.

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Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:42 pm
by Mylute
What Chrome is that?

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:57 pm
by CorridorZ75
Shocked that Keeneland has such a low floor on these yearling when I see $1500 and $4000. Would have thought $5000 would be floor.

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:21 pm
by Summer Bird
Mylute wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:42 pm
What Chrome is that?
The half sibling to GR 1 winner Bast

Re: 2019 Keeneland September

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:00 pm
by Flanders
CorridorZ75 wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:57 pm
Shocked that Keeneland has such a low floor on these yearling when I see $1500 and $4000. Would have thought $5000 would be floor.
its $1000