2019 Three-Year-Olds

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Steve Haskin's Derby Dozen - February 5, 2019
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/kentucky ... -farm.aspx
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Starine wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:20 pm
Steve Haskin's Derby Dozen - February 5, 2019
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/kentucky ... -farm.aspx
Of the 3 maiden winners on that list Nolo Contesto is the most interesting to me. I was set to bet him last Saturday before he scratched. Hopefully he gets another chance soon...

This PDF from Bloodhorse is interesting... 4 fillies nominated and does anyone know who the one registered black is?
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Of the 4 fillies nominated for the Derby, one races in a MSW (TAM4) on Saturday, Highheelmomma one of the almost 20% unraced at the time of nomination.
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Win Win Win broke the 7f track record winning the Pasco S at Tampa Bay today. By Hat Trick out of a Smarty Jones mare.
That was impressive. I've watched the replay three times.
Win Win Win will be trained up to the Tampa Bay Derby, bypassing the Sam Davis.

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/t ... n-win-win/
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Jaywalk and Cairo Cutie are grey. Bellafiina is bay. Highheelmomma is dkbbr, according to pedigreequery.
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Starine wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:20 pm
Steve Haskin's Derby Dozen - February 5, 2019
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/kentucky ... -farm.aspx
Baffert is a great trainer but another year with Baffert having the top 3yr old probably is not the best thing for the sport. Definitely pulling for Mucho, but it would be nice to see Omaha Beach win the Triple Crown on the 75th anniversary of D-Day.
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Jaywalk and Cairo Cutie are grey. Bellafiina is bay. Highheelmomma is dkbbr, according to pedigreequery.
Assuming this is in response to my query: the black horse nominated is a male horse, not a filly. I was just wondering if anyone knew who he was.
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The immediate "virus" that hit one trainer's very large barn immediately following an upgrade in testing in New York was very interesting, though.
That probably wasn't good for the sport, either :roll: .
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Blame wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:32 am
Starine wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:20 pm
Steve Haskin's Derby Dozen - February 5, 2019
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/kentucky ... -farm.aspx
Baffert is a great trainer but another year with Baffert having the top 3yr old probably is not the best thing for the sport. Definitely pulling for Mucho, but it would be nice to see Omaha Beach win the Triple Crown on the 75th anniversary of D-Day.
Why would it matter whether Baffert or anyone for that matter has the best 3yo?
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We've got about a foot of snow and power out since mid morning. Hard to post on my phone but I don't see that this has been mentioned.

Marty McGee
@DRFMcGee
Per the
@TampaBayDownsFL
state vet: "Instability in his right knee. We've sent off for some radiographs." Apparently not life-threatening. Further prognosis still to come, but a roller-coaster for the
@godolphin
folks after seeing the colt run so well.

The Sam Davis 2nd, Kentucky Wildcat, was vanned off afterward with an unspecified ailment; will update when available. 3rd-finisher So Alive, far back early, "is a little lazy, but he got into stride late," said
@jjcjockey
. "Maybe a mile and a quarter horse, a mile and a half."
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Curtis wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:46 pm
Blame wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:32 am
Starine wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:20 pm
Steve Haskin's Derby Dozen - February 5, 2019
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/kentucky ... -farm.aspx
Baffert is a great trainer but another year with Baffert having the top 3yr old probably is not the best thing for the sport. Definitely pulling for Mucho, but it would be nice to see Omaha Beach win the Triple Crown on the 75th anniversary of D-Day.
Why would it matter whether Baffert or anyone for that matter has the best 3yo?
Do you want a sport where 3 or 4 super trainers and 3 or 4 super partnerships made up of groups of billionaires get all the derby horses? That appears to be the trend right now. How do you attract new owners if they all think that winning the Kentucky Derby is out of their reach?
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Not only new owners, but fans. I've been into racing a long time but I've even been finding it hard to motivate myself at times. They all run briefly and retire.
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Blame wrote:
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Curtis wrote:
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Baffert is a great trainer but another year with Baffert having the top 3yr old probably is not the best thing for the sport. Definitely pulling for Mucho, but it would be nice to see Omaha Beach win the Triple Crown on the 75th anniversary of D-Day.
Why would it matter whether Baffert or anyone for that matter has the best 3yo?
Do you want a sport where 3 or 4 super trainers and 3 or 4 super partnerships made up of groups of billionaires get all the derby horses? That appears to be the trend right now. How do you attract new owners if they all think that winning the Kentucky Derby is out of their reach?
I want a sport where the best horses win. Was the sport demonstrably better because the Dumb Ass Stable bred a freak horse?
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Not only new owners, but fans. I've been into racing a long time but I've even been finding it hard to motivate myself at times. They all run briefly and retire.
I’d argue that’s more a product of the horse. If Justify were by Flower Alley it is likely he may still be running.
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He'd maybe have run through the end of 2018 unless he came from an amazing female family. There is no way he would be running in 2019. In my lifetime I've seen a 2yo season essentially become pointless and the spacing in between starts increase. Catholic Boy is getting a long break. From what? His taxing 2018 year? Gambling is not the primary focus for me. Maybe now I'm just old and the idea of favorite horses, etc. is best left in my teenage years because they aren't kept around long enough nor do they race frequently enough for it to really be draw.

Racing and the NBAization of it's trainers is problematic. Not every owner has deep enough pockets to afford the day rate of the Brown's and Bafferts of the world. Solid training begets winners, but this is akin to being the really smart kid whose parents couldn't afford an SAT tutor vs. the kid whose parents could. One is getting into Ivy League and the other isn't.

Just my take.
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Knicks Go to Make Seasonal Debut in Sam F. Davis Stakes

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... vis-stakes
That didn't go as well as I had hoped for KG. Maybe he'll improve next time out, but...
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He'd maybe have run through the end of 2018 unless he came from an amazing female family. There is no way he would be running in 2019. In my lifetime I've seen a 2yo season essentially become pointless and the spacing in between starts increase. Catholic Boy is getting a long break. From what? His taxing 2018 year? Gambling is not the primary focus for me. Maybe now I'm just old and the idea of favorite horses, etc. is best left in my teenage years because they aren't kept around long enough nor do they race frequently enough for it to really be draw.

Racing and the NBAization of it's trainers is problematic. Not every owner has deep enough pockets to afford the day rate of the Brown's and Bafferts of the world. Solid training begets winners, but this is akin to being the really smart kid whose parents couldn't afford an SAT tutor vs. the kid whose parents could. One is getting into Ivy League and the other isn't.

Just my take.
You do make some good points. The biggest thing to change the sport in my lifetime is the Breeder’s Cup. It, as well as the races inspired by it, has made it possible for horses to run a bare minimum of specialized races and have monetarily successful careers. At the risk of sounding like a socialist, the purse disparity between races is, to me, detrimental to the sport. The KY Derby was just bumped up to 3M. Why?? The fields aren’t full enough? Would the field be much different if the purse kept the same or slashed slightly? From a gambling standpoint, I really dislike the fact that horses with common ownership are not coupled. There is no negative ramification to the Sol Kumin’s of the world owning a piece of 10 horses in one race.
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Somnambulist wrote:
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Racing and the NBAization of it's trainers is problematic. Not every owner has deep enough pockets to afford the day rate of the Brown's and Bafferts of the world. Solid training begets winners, but this is akin to being the really smart kid whose parents couldn't afford an SAT tutor vs. the kid whose parents could. One is getting into Ivy League and the other isn't.

Just my take.
What's stopping the other trainers from getting smart?
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I didn't realize the Kentucky Derby went up to 3MM.. I too regret cannibalizing purses for other stakes and overall at the track. Nobody is not going to run in the KD because the purse is "only" $2MM, but adding $5000 to the purse of 200 races over the meet. . .makes a difference. But it is a reflection of society--the rich get richer, and the poor get. . . children.
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This is getting to sound like jr high football.
You have the school quarterback on the field with cheerleaders and parents drooling over him. The running back and a wide receiver or two in a clot just downfield. Linebackers and d backs circulating. Linemen and the latest dolt or 2 that dropped a pass or fumbled on the edge of the field. And, in the stands, the usual parents, girls with a crush on whichever boy is hot this week, and professional haters sneering at this that or the other hot boy because they were ignored at the prom by him.
Can we just grow up and root for good horses? Ignore the trainers. Let the owners pester them.
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