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Tessablue
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:46 pm

Pretty rough work from Eight Rings this morning (watch here: https://www.xbtv.com/video/bcworks19/ei ... 27th-2019/). Still a little hesistant towards Dennis' Moment, but right now it's hard to see anyone else in a field that is not particularly deep.
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:10 pm

Per a TVG tweet in Paulick's Twitter window, American Theorem is not going to run in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile.
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:36 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:10 pm
Per a TVG tweet in Paulick's Twitter window, American Theorem is not going to run in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile.
Bah; ;he was my longshot.
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:39 pm

Tessablue wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:46 pm
Pretty rough work from Eight Rings this morning (watch here: https://www.xbtv.com/video/bcworks19/ei ... 27th-2019/). Still a little hesistant towards Dennis' Moment, but right now it's hard to see anyone else in a field that is not particularly deep.
No expert here, but that was. . .odd. Unimpressed, but Baffert keeps saying how green he is.
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:43 pm

I like Maxfield in the Juvie. He looked great on the track today. Plus, we’re fostering a black Lab named Max and Maxfield’s trainer Brendan Walsh has a black Lab, so there you go. Keen handicapping, I know.
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:15 pm

Well, I was rooting for American Theorem in the juvy, but now he's out.

Go Wrecking Crew and Scabbard!
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:27 pm

Mylute wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:15 pm
Well, I was rooting for American Theorem in the juvy, but now he's out.
Didn't seem to hurt Dad's career very much. ;) Sounds like he may run again later this season; maybe at Los Al?
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:23 am

Omaha Beach looks insane, I wish he was going in something more exciting than the dirt mile. But then I remember that awesome performance Liam's Map turned in and maybe we'll be treated to that again.

I wish they'd draw already. I'd like some pps!
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:38 am

Somnambulist wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:23 am
Omaha Beach looks insane, I wish he was going in something more exciting than the dirt mile. But then I remember that awesome performance Liam's Map turned in and maybe we'll be treated to that again.

I wish they'd draw already. I'd like some pps!
They draw at 7pm. Seems later than usual.
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:20 am

Hi guys, new here mainly for the BC chat...this is one of the few meetings I really look forward to VtC, and put plenty of time into finding bets. I watch American racing all year round and love their Grade 1 races, as much as it can sometimes be a sham watching jockeys just drop the reins on a horse in the straight.

The juvenile turf sprint looks exciting this year and Four Wheel Drive and Kimari both look strong. A'Ali looks the strongest of the European horses but I dont think he'll be as quick from the gate and may have to expend too much early energy if he wants to get up the front.

I havent seen too many of the Juvenile Fillies but Bast is a real tough horse and did well to win last time, I prefer British Idiom though as she cleared away impressively last time when I backed the possible reopposing Perfect Alibi.

Eight Rings is already being touted as next years Kentucky Derby winner and he’s a favourite I like for the Juvenile, Maxfield is interesting on his win last time and Dennis' Moment could be absolutely anything

Structor in the Juvenile Turf is the one that interests me, I believe he’s still undefeated and he just held on last time but I like him as opposed to Arizona, who could of had a tough race on soft ground last time in defeat to Pinatubo and has had a long enough season

Juvenile Fillies turf is very competitive this year, Albigna impressed me last time and I like a couple of the US contingent too, Crystalle mainly who is slow from the gates but twice now she has shown an astonishing turn of foot late, she was just denied by Selflessly last time but I think she could get the better of that one now. Alms and Sweet Melania are my other two home string picks

Sistercharlie is the obvious one in the Filly&Mare turf, I just love this horse from her France days, and Chad Brown is excellent with these kind of races, having just checked she is now 2nd favourite behind Magical...I cant possibly see any reason as to why, this will now be Magical's 10th race of a long season and Sistercharlie will be much fresher, I just think her turn of foot down the straight will prove far too much for anything here.

I cant find anything stand out in the turf sprint this year, I’ll take a flyer on Belvoir Bay each way

Omaha Beach in the dirt mile is the one to beat, he was oh so impressive coming back from a lay off when beating Shancelot last time, and while Shancelot is now a slight unknown after 2 defeats following his huge win earlier in the year, Omaha Beach was once favourite for the Kentucky Derby so must be a well regarded horse. Improbable is of interest dropping back to 1m

I’m still willing to trust the aforementioned Shancelot in the Sprint, he was unlucky not to hold on 2 races ago when trying to go gate to wire and last time I think he ran into one in Omaha Beach who wont be re-opposing here, Imperial Hint and Mitole are dangerous if they turn up but I think Imperial Hint has had his day and Mitole may not be able to rope in Shancelot, its all on if he can hold out late.

I'm going to wait until the decs for this one as I havent heard much of who's going to be turning up, but if she goes then I think Uni can mow them all down. I believe Got Stormy beat her a couple of starts ago but Uni had a troubled passage then and flew late, a clear run here and I think she'll have enough.

Come Dancing is the one for me in the F&M Sprint, Covfefe is very good but Come Dancing has only one defeat so far in 5 starts to the brilliant Midnight Bisou. She's lightly raced for a 5 year old and I think she'll have the stamina late to get the better of the rest

Midnight Bisou is my pick for the Distaff, an impeccable year so far and I cant see much troubling her, Serengeti Empress may be of interest e/w

I cant see much troubling Bricks And Mortar, he's had a small break and he should be fresh enough to be able to show them a clear pair of heels

Code Of Honor hacks up in the Classic. McKinzie is a silly price surely, poor last time and I dont think he wants this distance. I wish Maximum Security was running as I think he’s the stand out 3 y.o and I really like him.
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:32 pm

Magical won't be getting on the plane, she's out with a fever.
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pm

katmandu wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:32 pm
Magical won't be getting on the plane, she's out with a fever.
Subsequently retired as well. No idea why Skybet made her favourite, Sistercharlie will take all the beating, I make her one of the bankers of the two days
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:59 pm

thinair wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:38 am
Somnambulist wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:23 am
Omaha Beach looks insane, I wish he was going in something more exciting than the dirt mile. But then I remember that awesome performance Liam's Map turned in and maybe we'll be treated to that again.

I wish they'd draw already. I'd like some pps!
They draw at 7pm. Seems later than usual.
I thought 6:30 pm or is that them just sucking me in 30 minutes early to sell me crap?
Somnambulist

Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:04 pm

In case anyone else enjoys horse photos, Blue Devil Racing looks like they're documenting Come Dancing's road to the BC on Insta. There might even be bath photos: https://instagram.com/bdracingstable?ig ... kj3xyjzpmz

I think they're the only ones doing anything like this? Anyone got any other suggestions to help this week be unproductive?

(anyone without an account can still view it. I don't have one)
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Tessablue
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:12 pm

Somnambulist wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:04 pm
In case anyone else enjoys horse photos, Blue Devil Racing is documenting Come Dancing's road to the BC on Insta. There might even be bath photos: https://instagram.com/bdracingstable?ig ... kj3xyjzpmz

I think they're the only ones doing anything like this right? Anyone got any other suggestions to help this week be unproductive?
Buy advance Formulator pps and spend all week watching every single horse's entire 2019 campaign? Which I am totally definitely absolutely not doing...

Love that they are sharing that. There's some great stuff in this article too: https://www.americasbestracing.net/life ... contenders
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:36 pm

Nice back story about Imperial Hint and his connections from DRF:

https://www.drf.com/news/small-mighty-i ... rint?type=

And in the name of equal time, Mitole's exercise rider earning his pay this morning:

https://www.xbtv.com/video/workout/mito ... 28th-2019/
Tessablue
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:44 pm

katmandu wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:36 pm
Nice back story about Imperial Hint and his connections from DRF:

https://www.drf.com/news/small-mighty-i ... rint?type=

And in the name of equal time, Mitole's exercise rider earning his pay this morning:

https://www.xbtv.com/video/workout/mito ... 28th-2019/
Oh man, Mitole has looked absolutely incredible at SA. I don't want to root against him, so can we get a dead heat in the Sprint?

Absolutely loved that story. Have you seen this video? https://twitter.com/Vowtohonor/status/1 ... contenders
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:54 pm

Tessablue wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:12 pm
Somnambulist wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:04 pm
In case anyone else enjoys horse photos, Blue Devil Racing is documenting Come Dancing's road to the BC on Insta. There might even be bath photos: https://instagram.com/bdracingstable?ig ... kj3xyjzpmz

I think they're the only ones doing anything like this right? Anyone got any other suggestions to help this week be unproductive?
Buy advance Formulator pps and spend all week watching every single horse's entire 2019 campaign? Which I am totally definitely absolutely not doing...

Love that they are sharing that. There's some great stuff in this article too: https://www.americasbestracing.net/life ... contenders
To save the cost of Formulator (sorry DRF), aren't all of the contenders and their videos accessible on the Breeders Cup site?
Tessablue
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:04 pm

Horsebagger wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:54 pm

To save the cost of Formulator (sorry DRF), aren't all of the contenders and their videos accessible on the Breeders Cup site?
Good point! Wow, they've really punched up that website from what it used to be. Has most of the major races although it doesn't have everything, but in fairness, DRF doesn't have anything from CD.

Other great resources include work videos from XBTV: https://www.xbtv.com/breeders-cup/
And this collection of BC stats. I think trainer stats are crucial for the BC, and this site has everything: http://stats.breederscup.com/
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:04 pm

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