Thanks, Ridan. I've been a student of pedigree for over a decade, so I really dig into them, especially colts on the TC trail. (One of the reasons I'm a fan of Chrome and not of AP or Justify is based on the quality of the tail female bloodlines). I feel this is a HUGE misstep by the syndicate, as there is a LOT of upside that the breeders here are failing to see. The Japanese look at his accomplishments, and probably recognize that they are (in their eyes) getting a huge bargain with that female family in his 3rd and 4th generation. Heck, the double of Numbered Account is reason enough to value him as a sire!Ridan_Remembered wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:23 pmThank you. Very well stated. Does a pedigree make a successful sire, or does a successful sire make his pedigree? Take Pioneerof The Nile for a single example. Had only 10 starts, 5 wins including the Santa Anita Derby. Was sired by the beautifully bred but unremarkable sire (at the time), Empire Maker, who was also shipped off to Japan. Pioneer's female family was very unremarkable. The closest any of the mares in his tail female family came to winning a G1 was a 2nd in the Black Eye Susan by his 5th dam. Pioneer's broodmare sire, Lord at War, was a useful but also unremarkable sire. Pioneer likely would not be a fashionable commercial name in a pedigree today were it not for American Pharoah and Classic Empire.swale1984 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:42 pmSteve Haskin shared his thoughts on this situation on facebook (I don't see them on Bloodhorse though). Basically, what he wrote was what he said on At the Races:
1) American breeders don't give stallions a chance to fail.
2) We've gotten away from racing ina sporting model and into racing as a business model--focused on quick return.
I agree with his points. We also see that the breeding industry only really cares about the sire and the dam. The rest of the family could be Eclipse winners, but if the sire and (sometimes) the dam aren't popular, then the offspring don't sell. That's the case with Chrome. Lucky Pulpit is closely related to Unbridled's Song (their dams were half sisters). Lucky Pulpit is also by Pulpit, the SAME sire as leading sire Tapit. Love the Chase's tail female line is pretty much Phipps/Claiborne mares (and anyone who has studied pedigrees knows that those are great lines, no matter how successful the mares were on the track). But, the breeders see "Lucky Pulpit" "Love the Chase" and see the "price" to breed Chrome, and dismissed him from the get-go.
Idk about you all, but I'm tired of the American thoroughbred model. I'm thinking I need to just focus on European, Australian and Japanese racing. At least their horses are bred for longevity and run for more than 6 races.
I must correct my mistake in my first post, though. The Phipps/Claiborne mares are only in Not For Love's pedigree, so the tail female line on Chrome is a bit more modest, although his 3rd dam was also the dam of the MSW Mare Amourette, and Bloodlines.net also notes that his family, A4, is one of the best in American racing, having produced Derby winners Clyde Van Dusen, Kauai King, Iron Liege, Swaps, and California Chrome. It's also produced the phenomenal mares Countess Wanda, Courtly Dee, Althea, Aurora (granddam of Blame).