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from DRF....

Hall of Fame trainer Jerry Hollendorfer plans to relocate his stable to Oaklawn Park in January, he said on Sunday.

Hollendorfer said he plans to have approximately 25 horses at Oaklawn Park, which runs from Jan. 24 to May 2. He had a stable based at the Del Mar autumn meeting, which ended on Sunday, and has a stable at Los Alamitos, which runs a two-week winter meeting from Friday through Dec. 15. “I’m being forced to run at Oaklawn because I’m not up in California,” he said. “I’d like to be able to run in California.

Hollendorfer is not alone in sending horses to Oaklawn Park. California-based trainers Richard Baltas, Phil D’Amato, Mark Glatt, Peter Miller, and John Sadler are likely to race at the lucrative meeting.


D’Amato and Miller said over the weekend their stables at Oaklawn Park will largely consist of runners they now have based in Kentucky. Sadler and Glatt said they have yet to finalize their plans regarding the number of runners that will be based at Oaklawn.


Glatt said he has been allotted 18 stalls.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:39 am

Looks like Santa Anita will have a tough time filling dirt races this winter and early spring.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:32 pm

WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:39 am
Looks like Santa Anita will have a tough time filling dirt races this winter and early spring.
The racing will just further atrophy. Someone will fill those races. Maybe they’ll card 4.5f races and watch their backs when Doc Allred comes around. Two graded stakes were won by former claimers over the weekend at Del Mar. Now that happens every now and again but twice in the same weekend?
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:54 pm

Curtis wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:32 pm
WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:39 am
Looks like Santa Anita will have a tough time filling dirt races this winter and early spring.
The racing will just further atrophy. Someone will fill those races. Maybe they’ll card 4.5f races and watch their backs when Doc Allred comes around. Two graded stakes were won by former claimers over the weekend at Del Mar. Now that happens every now and again but twice in the same weekend?
Interesting sidenote......."they" voted for a $10,000 minimum on claimers.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:59 pm

stark wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:54 pm
Curtis wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:32 pm
WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:39 am
Looks like Santa Anita will have a tough time filling dirt races this winter and early spring.
The racing will just further atrophy. Someone will fill those races. Maybe they’ll card 4.5f races and watch their backs when Doc Allred comes around. Two graded stakes were won by former claimers over the weekend at Del Mar. Now that happens every now and again but twice in the same weekend?
Interesting sidenote......."they" voted for a $10,000 minimum on claimers.
Run 870 against QH’s for a nickel today run for 10k at Santa Anita next week. I wonder if Hess Jr. is scouring the 10k claimers looking for his Big ‘Cap horse?
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I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:40 pm

Frank ought to just rebrand SA as Grant's Pass South. Maybe he can attract Michael Wrona back!
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:33 pm

WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:40 pm
Frank ought to just rebrand SA as Grant's Pass South. Maybe he can attract Michael Wrona back!
Frank v. Belinda.......gotta think I'm siding with the elder statesman.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:33 pm

Shug is going to Oaklawn,, too?
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:09 pm

stark wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:41 pm
And young women too....

https://www.drf.com/news/trainer-anna-m ... s/all-news
I don't know much about this trainer. I guess I will follow her and see what's what.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:05 pm

MySaladDays wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:33 pm
Shug is going to Oaklawn,, too?
Doesn't he usually go to Florida in the winter? I don't recall him ever stabling horses in Southern California, so if he chooses Hot Springs over Hallandale, it won't matter in Arcadia.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:30 pm

WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:05 pm
MySaladDays wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:33 pm
Shug is going to Oaklawn,, too?
Doesn't he usually go to Florida in the winter? I don't recall him ever stabling horses in Southern California, so if he chooses Hot Springs over Hallandale, it won't matter in Arcadia.
He's sending a small string for first time in decades------seems like his son will be in charge......Irealize he is not a CA trainer leaving CA, just thought I'd mention it. :

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Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:16 pm

stark wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:54 pm
Interesting sidenote......."they" voted for a $10,000 minimum on claimers.
I don't get that to be honest. What good does that do? To "ensure" a certain quality of the races? I've seen many exciting low level races in my lifetime and many boring G1s.

If it's to protect horses, I call BS on that one. Sure 2k or 3k (4 to 6 times above - sorry to say it - the meat price, if that's their concern that a "cheap investment" of 1k is more likely to get rid of...), that makes sense, but 10? I don't get it.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:00 pm

stark wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:33 pm
WaquoitNBroadBrush wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:40 pm
Frank ought to just rebrand SA as Grant's Pass South. Maybe he can attract Michael Wrona back!
Frank v. Belinda.......gotta think I'm siding with the elder statesman.
Frank will never make another decision for any aspect of the Stronach Group again.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:15 am

Kurenai wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:16 pm
stark wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:54 pm
Interesting sidenote......."they" voted for a $10,000 minimum on claimers.
I don't get that to be honest. What good does that do? To "ensure" a certain quality of the races? I've seen many exciting low level races in my lifetime and many boring G1s.

If it's to protect horses, I call BS on that one. Sure 2k or 3k (4 to 6 times above - sorry to say it - the meat price, if that's their concern that a "cheap investment" of 1k is more likely to get rid of...), that makes sense, but 10? I don't get it.
I will defer to our very own California/Washington historian here, but in the meantime my failing memory tells me that for years and years $10K was always the minimum for as long as anybody can remember. Never did the esteemed SoCal circuit want to invite the dregs from Arizona or Idaho to join the party.

Well, somewhere along the line, maybe 10-15 years ago(?) lower limits were changed to $8K and even as low as $6250 and I think Hollywood Park might've been behind it? My guess is that the current powers have reviewed the multi-year test period and determined they didn't get the desired results, so it's back to the old way of doing business????
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:13 pm

Thanks Stark for the info!
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:44 pm

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Thanks Stark for the info!
Waiting for Curtis to confirm or deny, his memory still works.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:50 pm

stark wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:15 am
Kurenai wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:16 pm
stark wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:54 pm
Interesting sidenote......."they" voted for a $10,000 minimum on claimers.
I don't get that to be honest. What good does that do? To "ensure" a certain quality of the races? I've seen many exciting low level races in my lifetime and many boring G1s.

If it's to protect horses, I call BS on that one. Sure 2k or 3k (4 to 6 times above - sorry to say it - the meat price, if that's their concern that a "cheap investment" of 1k is more likely to get rid of...), that makes sense, but 10? I don't get it.
I will defer to our very own California/Washington historian here, but in the meantime my failing memory tells me that for years and years $10K was always the minimum for as long as anybody can remember. Never did the esteemed SoCal circuit want to invite the dregs from Arizona or Idaho to join the party.

Well, somewhere along the line, maybe 10-15 years ago(?) lower limits were changed to $8K and even as low as $6250 and I think Hollywood Park might've been behind it? My guess is that the current powers have reviewed the multi-year test period and determined they didn't get the desired results, so it's back to the old way of doing business????
The floor was 5k until app. 1972. Then it was $6250 until app. 1985. I believe 8k was bypassed and the floor went straight to 10k. In the late ‘90’s, or thereabouts, Hollywood Park lowered the floor to 8k so the bottom dwellers ran for 10k at Santa Anita and Del Mar where as they could be put in for 8k while running amongst the Lakes and Flowers. I don’t remember when the floor uniformly went to 8k, and then $6250, but it was pretty recent. 12-15 years ago when that flap happened regarding Mandella, Dan McFarlane and Refinery the floors were still different. The Maiden Claiming floor for years was 32k but that has been lowered. I used to use a 50% formula for those guys. Once they broke their maiden for 32k, I wouldn’t touch them again until they were in for 16k or less against winners.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:54 pm

I’ll also add that a lot of this is artificial. I suspect you’ll see some 10k claiming races at Santa Anita littered with 8k claimers.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:07 pm

Thanks, the fact you're so much older than I am really comes in handy here!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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