No serious issues with maximum security

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TapitsGal
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:49 am

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ous-issues

Other than minor bruising and grade 1 of 5 lameness in all four legs no serious issues were found...I guess the question is do people think he will race again? Yes or no?
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:58 am

The question is more if all the other tests already came back. (That usually takes a while.) I can't read the full report to see what was done. We know now that he is healthy apart from minor issues, not if they found anything about substances.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:02 am

My biggest question is, are they allowed to test blood samples from all his previous races? Like can they go back and test them for EPO/PED? Because if he gets disqualified from all his races, they won't have a choice and will have to race him probably next year too. If they allow him to keep his wins, he probably wont race again. They'll say, Oh he didn't get right in time.
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I'm willing to bet that there are a whole bunch of critics out there who said something akin to "well, shit, now what do we do"? Actually "hoping" for worse results.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:26 pm

@stark: Personally I'm just happy that he is healthy and I hope the same for the other horses who allegedly received those substances.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:42 pm

Kurenai wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:26 pm
@stark: Personally I'm just happy that he is healthy and I hope the same for the other horses who allegedly received those substances.
Oh me too, but you know as well as I do that there are negative nellies out there anxious to hang 'em high and they're not sure how to interpret what in fact could be considered good news!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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stark wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:42 pm
Kurenai wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:26 pm
@stark: Personally I'm just happy that he is healthy and I hope the same for the other horses who allegedly received those substances.
Oh me too, but you know as well as I do that there are negative nellies out there anxious to hang 'em high and they're not sure how to interpret what in fact could be considered good news!
Negative nellies is such a nice word for peta zealots :lol:
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:58 pm

Actually, Bramlage's report indicates nothing that would be considered unusual for a horse that has gone through such a racing campaign as Maximum Security. As indicated, no inherent precursors to condular fractures. Eliminating the emotion of the chemistry issue, this shows how well he was monitored. Of course, those in attack mode would prefer not acknowledge this. Whether he returns to racing or not is speculative at his point. Dr. Bramlage's findings just indicate given time, these hot spots will quiet down. But decisions made will involve many more factors.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:50 pm

I'm truly glad that the suffers from no physical issues, but I doubt that they will ever find evidence of the doping apart from Servis' recorded phone calls. I hope they give him the full 180 days off it takes for the meds to completely leave their system, just to be safe if they plan on racing him again.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:57 pm

Maybe rest him for 6 mo and aim for next year’s Pegasus and a 5 year old campaign.
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Squeaky wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:57 pm
Maybe rest him for 6 mo and aim for next year’s Pegasus and a 5 year old campaign.
Why???
Let him enjoy retirement, geesh!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:14 pm

stark wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:59 pm
Squeaky wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:57 pm
Maybe rest him for 6 mo and aim for next year’s Pegasus and a 5 year old campaign.
Why???
Let him enjoy retirement, geesh!
While I'm with you on that one, Stark, I think there is a couple of reasons why they won't.
For one, West is going to want him to race at least once to prove that he was not a fluke and that the meds did not enhance his ability as a racehorse. I'm basing that on his current court cases to get him named as the KD winner. He's got a lot of hubris.
Secondly, this scandal will leave them up in the air as to where to price his stud fee. I still think they might go private treaty, but I honestly am clueless as to what this will do for his future stud career and whether or not people are going to want to breed to him, esp. if they price his first year at 35-50k as they would normally do based on his wins/earnings.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:20 pm

Green Desert wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:14 pm
stark wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:59 pm
Squeaky wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:57 pm
Maybe rest him for 6 mo and aim for next year’s Pegasus and a 5 year old campaign.
Why???
Let him enjoy retirement, geesh!
While I'm with you on that one, Stark, I think there is a couple of reasons why they won't.
For one, West is going to want him to race at least once to prove that he was not a fluke and that the meds did not enhance his ability as a racehorse. I'm basing that on his current court cases to get him named as the KD winner. He's got a lot of hubris.
Secondly, this scandal will leave them up in the air as to where to price his stud fee. I still think they might go private treaty, but I honestly am clueless as to what this will do for his future stud career and whether or not people are going to want to breed to him, esp. if they price his first year at 35-50k as they would normally do based on his wins/earnings.
That is strictly a FINANCIAL decision and to the best of my knowledge the West's (and partners) do not need the money to pay their bills. Everybody talks about risk vs. reward and there is simply waaay too much risk involved for the horse, for the trainer, for the owner, for the industry as a whole for this guy to step foot on a racetrack. I've said it before, the best outcome is to clip him and stand him the Kentucky Horse Park for fans to visit along with Point Given, Funny Cide et al.
Close the book, end of story.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:30 pm

Agreed.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:39 pm

Green Desert wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:30 pm
Agreed.
Good to know!
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:05 pm

For those giving any thought to MS stud fee, some fun facts on the Mrs. for background.....
https://www.forbes.com/profile/mary-west/#38c2a1e734f8
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:12 pm

stark wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:05 pm
For those giving any thought to MS stud fee, some fun facts on the Mrs. for background.....
https://www.forbes.com/profile/mary-west/#38c2a1e734f8
As we all know, stud fees are not contingent on the personal worth of the owner, so I am not certain how that is relevant?
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